Dream Cast Episode 99 – Hustle With All Your Heart

Dream Cast Episode 99 – Hustle With All Your Heart


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today’s episode I’m interviewing a
redheaded businessman who started a
media marketing company in 2016 as well
as the heart-healthy hustle podcast he
has the vision to equip inspire and
connect driven and proactive young
professionals he says this podcast is
for you if you’ve started executing on
your vision yet are dealing with the
challenges that this spring’s and we all
know that the journey is never
straightline you have hustle you have
heart and you love health and you’re
considered driven by your friends and
family if so then our next guest wants
to talk to you because he loves to talk
honestly about self-awareness health
vulnerability purpose and he works
through his scariest business struggles
and opportunities in the podcast and on
today’s episode as well so big dream
cast welcome to Jonathan Frederick hey
Denis happy to be with you guys today
thanks for having me yes absolutely now
last week you interviewed me on your
heart-healthy hustle podcast and we
connected and I to be honest I was like
we speak the same language so I needed
to have you on the Dreamcast as well
because you are somebody who leads with
heart and and trusts your intuition and
steps out and faith and all the things
that entrepreneurs do but I know it’s
not always easy so you started your
media marketing company in 2016 and have
done a lot of things since then but I
would love to hear even before that tell
me a little bit about yourself and the
journey to starting your company so I
have a story for you and your listeners
right out the gate it’s just really
interesting so after I went to school
for exercise science I got hired as a
rehab specialist at a Chiropractic
Wellness Center and I remember working
there and being forced to do three jobs
in one I was supposed to be the rehab
specialist the guy that worked with the
clients after the chiropractor but what
happened was I ended up becoming the
manager the rehab specialist and the
front desk administrator so I had these
three jobs in one looking back I was so
stressed my lips were getting chapped
because of the vitamin D deficiency I
was taking not adderall but I was taking
things to keep myself mentally focused
through 6 p.m. 7 8 p.m. if we had a long
day and I remember loving that job so
much and being so engaged getting to
work with people and just helping them
heal their bodies physically but I also
remember
sizing all the time about
entrepreneurship we had hired a video
media marketing company to come in and
create a video for the clinic and I
remember the guy came in his name was
Smith and I’m still connected with him
to this day a very talented guy he does
like photography for the Carolina
Panthers things like that and he can’t
he comes in just doing this freelance
job you know 1:00 in the afternoon and
I’m looking at him and I’m thinking to
myself this guy is definitely gonna make
more than I make today and he has a free
more or less a free schedule after he
works with us for two maybe two and a
half hours tops he just goes home and
works on this and then submits it maybe
does a revision or two not to say it’s
easy but it looked way more enticing to
me than what I was doing so during that
whole time and experience while I was
working at this Chiropractic Wellness
Center and still loving it by the time I
decided to leave it was because I
believe the job was still engaging but
90% of it became automated in muscle
memory more or less the only thing that
was really exciting me was talking with
with the people and learning about them
and hey how’s things going today and so
I would write down on and one of my
mentors actually taught me this to take
post-it notes every time I had an idea
and because I was automated in my mind
in my visit my physical brain and all
these like neural pathways that were
developed with muscle memory I was able
to brainstorm while doing muscle memory
tasks so I’d be helping somebody out or
I’d be working on the computer typing up
some reports and in my mind I was
brainstorming about how am I gonna get
free of having to come into a scheduled
job which you know I’m not knocking that
but for me I was really interested in
this so I would brainstorm ideas I had
pockets full of post-it notes at the end
of every single day and I would just
come home and stuff them in a little bag
I had and it started to fill up like a
bag of dream receipts if you will and so
the first time I’ve called him that but
that’s really what it was and by the
time I left I had been offered another
job as a door-to-door sales guy and I
did that for over two years and I’m
happy to say that that was much more
financially rewarding but the it was
it’s hard to do that I wasn’t actually
selling anything because I was working
for the
our company actually the largest one in
the u.s. so it’s a legit company
everybody has power through them so they
would give you the time of day it just
it’s hard because you’re uninvited
typically looked at as unwelcome I’m in
North Carolina I’m a Jersey girl born
and raised in New Jersey so they’re like
who’s this guy from New Jersey on my
front porch and if you’re in the south
and you know already people don’t really
take too kindly to strangers walking up
to their door but people are largely
very nice but there is one too many
experiences that I had where I realized
and this is really what pushed me into
entrepreneurship was it forced me to
make a decision because of the defending
of my dignity as a human being it just
it was so challenging at times too I
always say this when sales like it’s not
that you’re getting rejected they’re
rejecting your proposal they’re
rejecting your delivery of it so it can
feel like a personal rejection and
sometimes that is part of it maybe they
don’t like the way I look they don’t
like my beard or the fact that I have
red hair or I’m tall and white or
whatever the case may be it doesn’t
matter but it’s typically almost never a
rejection of me they don’t know me so
that’s what I always say in sales they
don’t even know who I am and those kind
of sales are hard to do we’re if you can
get people to seek you out and say hey
like you have something I want that is
really where sales can become a lot more
service-oriented
and you feel a lot more I don’t know
perhaps fulfilled in those types of
sales you’ve mentioned a few things that
I want to touch on I definitely want to
come back to your dream receipts and how
you use those to catapult your next
business but you said you started
feeling this restlessness or this like
this you like it was attacking your
dignity where you didn’t feel good about
what you were doing anymore and
something was stirring inside can you
tell me more about that
yeah it was my ego I mean probably part
of it yeah but there’s just this human
dignity that once you gets it gets
steamrolled one too many times you
realize that you need to step up into
the greatest version of yourself and if
you don’t you’re gonna be miserable in
that part of yourself day in and day out
and that’s what people talk about when I
talk about entrepreneurship though I
never talk about it in a
our cycleway that so many people do on
social media I believe that
entrepreneurship or owning your own
business is in fact can be many times a
lot harder than working a mundane job I
just choose that version of hard over
the version of mundane heart because
mundane heart to me is like hard in the
wrong kind of difficult it’s it’s not a
comfortable difficult where you’re like
yes I’m growing from this it’s just like
I’m melting it’s not a fun thing so the
difference there is entrepreneurship
usually harder but it’s a kind of harder
that it’s not a it’s not a fake dream
like everyone’s on yachts and
millionaires it’s like you have to work
really hard you’re probably gonna work
more then you do at a day job or what
have you and you’re probably gonna work
harder and you’re probably gonna have
that job come home with you many times
so it’s something that it’s not for
everybody but the people who choose it
typically understand and I’m sure you
found this with interviews but I have
for sure on my podcast with the people
I’ve interviewed there’s a version of
hard that you have to accept to defend
your dignity if it comes to that and I
always say even if it means losing your
job I think that you know not defending
but standing up for your right as a
human being is more important than
keeping your job that helps you to pay
your monthly bills that’s just my
opinion though yeah yeah
entrepreneurship is we like to say a
personal development program with a
compensation plan because you have to
grow like you have to show up you have
to learn new skills you have to step up
and step into yourself for your business
to grow and you made a decision that you
had to step up yourself and speak your
own personal truth when you made that
choice how long was it before you said
all right I can’t do this anymore I’ve
got a good be something else to be
honest I still do the door-to-door but
I’ve spoken with the manager and I also
shifted my mindset around that job where
I since I started my podcast and back in
June I do not work as many hours on that
job last year year before last I was
working that job probably I was working
really hard at it and it it takes a lot
out of you because influence is the
transfer of emotion influence is the
transferring of emotion and it’s
exhausting so although it’s not manual
labor and it’s in fact the kind of work
I thrive in which is human interaction I
was still becoming very tired and you
become argumentative or irritable by the
end of the day so day in and day out of
that became challenging to where I said
I sat down it was actually a friend of
mine the manager of this program and I
spoke I said you know what do you think
about this and he said we’d rather have
you work for us for two days a week than
to lose you so that’s kind of what
happened and I shifted into this with my
podcast and my online branding and
everything and really diving into that
well and I think it just goes to show
you don’t need to have either/or you
really can do both and then you set set
up boundaries within the job or the
door-to-door sales that you are doing
with those people so you could free up
some mind space to also cultivate a
different part of you the creative side
the part the human you know in influence
side and you can do both and you’ve got
your site hustle while you’re doing your
sales job as well and to be honest I
have many side hustles but that’s yeah
that’s besides the point I guess awesome
and it keeps you on your toes I’m sure
so about this transition how have you
learned where do you go is there
somebody in the sales job that is a
mentor to you do you look outside of
that how do you find people to connect
with that help you step into that best
self
it’s really a challenge it really is so
for anyone listening you know this as
well getting in a network of people who
are actually doing things and actually
winning is difficult because they’re
very tough they’re often elusive I
always say if you see somebody posting
on Instagram on the regular and their
post is polished and it looks great
they’re probably not actually making
money and I could be wrong and I get a
lot of flack for that but my point in
saying that is when you see somebody
with a you know with when they’re
posting their nice car ridiculous
amounts of time compared to the other
types of posts or whatever it could be
that you’re just trying to stay brand
relevant and I respect that what I’m
saying is they are elusive Pete real
winners are very elusive and that’s
something Denise that I’ve learned and
I’m sure you maybe you have as well with
with the podcast and reaching out to
other people is you know I’ve
interviewed people on my show like Ed my
let okay and this guy is a real winner
you know he’s a big deal name and and
he’s a kind of guy where he doesn’t
waste a minute it’s funny actually I
still go to the chiropractor that I used
to work for and great guy we’re still
friends to this day
and he I was telling him I was like yeah
you know blah blah he’s like oh I
actually met had my lad at Grant Cardone
conference at TEDx con and I was like oh
no way he’s like yeah I got a picture
with them and that’s one thing about
emotional intelligence never try to
one-up people even if you’re further
ahead of them to me my EQ is always I’m
always learning I’m always developing
but I always look at it like it may
impress the other person but it’s not
something that makes them feel good and
people don’t remember what you said they
remember how you made them feel and
that’s that’s something I’m trying to
master and become better at in lifting
others up is making them feel empowered
and good but anyway he shows me this
picture of edy
and he’s like yeah ed was really mad
about this and I was what do you mean
and he said well I was trying to get the
picture I said can I get a picture with
you a note about this doctor he’s Korean
and he’s a great guy I’m not knocking
any ethnicity here but he has a little
bit of broken English he’s a very smart
guy and but it’s just humorous to me to
hear from him because he’s you know he’s
talking about how Ed was getting annoyed
with him because he’s saying every
second that you waste getting your
camera open on your phone
I’m missing out on I think he said like
five or fifty thousand dollars worth of
revenue that I could be making somewhere
else like that’s how much his time is
worth and so the point in sharing that
story is the elusive nature of real
winners is it’s because they’re actually
out there working there it’s like Batman
they don’t care if you see them they
don’t care if you notice them they’re
just actually putting in the work and
then you know five years later maybe
something surfaces that they wrote a
book or you know their podcast is very
successful where their business is
thriving and you’re like wait what and
you win over people much stronger in the
long run because they realize wow look
look what happened here and they never
even were you know really not bragging
but they weren’t even looking for
notoriety around this right they’re not
in it for the show they’re in it for the
hustle and the hustle is that brings
them that momentum yeah and to answer
your question Denise I’m sorry I don’t
think I actually answered it something I
do that helps me find other winners is
be honest with myself and say am i
somebody that would attract those kind
of people in my life and to be someone
that would do that you have to have
value so you have to be a someone who’s
bringing help or service in a humble way
to people who are ahead of you and
that’s really a fun thing for me but it
also checks me every day I always have
to check my humility at the door I’m
like or not at the door but I have to
check my ego and say am I still early
humble so for me early humble is when I
first started this podcast and I was
shocked out of my mind when an author
would say yeah I’ll be a guest on your
show and I would and now I look at it
I’m like of course they want to be a
guest podcast to them
screams relevancy and they want to
remain relevant as long as possible with
their book that they wrote in 2009 but
the point in that is like I was so
humble that I was shocked when people
would agree to an interview with me and
it’s kind of sad but that’s the way my
self-esteem kind of has grown over like
he said with the personal development of
entrepreneurship conferences help
reaching out helping serve other people
well how do you do that
honestly I don’t know it’s really a
challenge you have to look at people who
you really align with and say what can I
do for them that would actually help
them and not expect any reciprocation
whatsoever ever so it’s like confidence
without entitlement mmm confidence
without entitlement I think that’s
really important because you’re gonna
like exude the confidence you are going
to it’s going to flow out of you your
people are gonna take notice of you you
know when you just walk into a room and
you can tell someone owns themselves I
think that’s a really important space
but not to be entitled where you’re
expecting others to bow to or or see how
great you are or whatever as well so
it’s like this confidence with a
servant’s focus and I feel like you’re
right those are the types of people that
people want to follow are you somebody
people want to follow are you somebody
that people who are already successful
when I hang around because are you
adding value to them
now you’ve mentioned EQ so emotional
intelligence a few times share with me
something else you’ve learned about
growing your EQ and how that is
important to every aspect of life one
thing I want to just
it clear right away is EQ and
self-awareness are two different things
they’re deeply intertwined but they’re
two different things self-awareness is
just that it’s self-awareness the
definition is pretty much you can google
it I don’t want to butcher it but
emotional intelligence is highly I don’t
want to use the word manipulative but
it’s in it’s an intelligence or in about
emotions and what makes people tick now
if you are working to grow your
emotional intelligence I would you know
I always recommend that and there’s
books on it and everybody talks about
how it’s so important and the reason is
if your emotional intelligence isn’t
there you’re not going to know how to
work with different types of people it’s
just the way it is have you ever heard
of the Enneagram no I haven’t tell me
more okay so the Enneagram is a I don’t
know how to explain it but I would
definitely recommend everyone take the
free online test and it’s spelled a
little weird I’m going to check to make
sure I don’t spell it wrong Enneagram
the Enneagram of personality or simply
the Enneagram meaning something written
are drawn is a model of the human psyche
which is principally understood and
taught as a typology of nine
interconnected personality types
basically what that means is you take
this test you get two numbers and you
read all about these numbers and what
they mean and it’s it’s funny because it
builds your self-awareness like no other
where the emotional intelligence comes
in is like now that you’re self-aware
and like you said Deniz owning yourself
you can then focus out and say I’m okay
like I don’t need people to like me I
just want to lift other people up if
they accept it great if not that’s okay
you know there’s a lot of people out
there who I can look to serve yeah
emotional intelligence I’m super
passionate about it but I just recently
you know over the last few months
realized that there is a difference
between that and self-awareness and
emotional intelligence is absolutely
necessary but it’s not the same as
self-awareness there’s a couple things
you’re saying self-awareness to me
sounds like I Know Who I am and
emotional intelligence ism is a step
further where you’re like and I accept
Who I am and when you have this I’m okay
on the inside then you’re not as
emotionally triggered by other people on
the outside
even as a 8 year old you had to
differentiate them being rude is not
really a reflection of me it’s really a
reflection of something they’ve got
going on which to be honest for an
eight-year-old to be able to
differentiate and grow their inner self
muscle and really kind of be able to see
people through those eyes is a huge
skill because so many times even adults
take things personally and then they’re
on an emotional up-and-down roller
coaster because somebody said something
that hurt their feelings or somebody did
something that and and really when you
have that inner confidence of not only
do I Know Who I am but I like Who I am I
accept Who I am and I’m okay then you
can pennis it feels like you can look at
others a little bit differently because
they don’t personally impact your inner
self as much as they could if you hadn’t
developed the skill 100% and as an
eight-year-old I wasn’t always good at
that I didn’t know how to do that and so
I had an internal toxic shame build up
that I had to discharge when I was in my
twenties that is really actually pretty
sad but I allowed some of that
bitterness to develop and I think it was
used against me and not to Migrator not
to the greater good of my life that I
allowed bitterness in my heart and
unforgiveness is the word until I
realized that forgiveness isn’t about
justice it’s about freedom then that’s
when things change when I buy an act of
my will
no I didn’t feel like it I went through
lists of names of people who I was a
little bitter at or a lot better at and
I just kind of went through all that and
focused on how much I am loved and
accepted and how I’m enough in Christ
and how that’s all that really matters
and then like he said that
self-awareness comes in to where you
know you’re enough and you look at other
people with empathy instead of what are
they gonna do to hurt me what are they
gonna do so I shied away from community
for so long because I was so afraid that
you know I mean everyone is scared of it
to some extent but my little sister last
year was talking to me and she was
talking me you know we talked sometimes
for like maybe a half hour an hour
and we’re catching up and I was alone in
my car and I was just talking to her and
I wasn’t going through a real hard time
or anything but she was doing really
well at school with a lot of new friends
and things and I was really happy for
her
and she was like one thing she said to
me that broke me and really set me free
to start helping other people and get
out of my own head was she goes John
you’ve always been really good at loving
me and being a great brother to me and
you just need to let that out and people
need that and when she said that it was
like God was saying it through her and
it changed my life because I was like
she’s right I mean if I accept the fact
that people need that version of me
then I can really start showing up and
and not worry about the bruises that
I’ll pick up inevitably along the way
mmm
that gave me chills actually because
it’s like you already had everything you
needed you didn’t need a validation from
others you didn’t need to be or learn
something else she was saying dude like
you’re amazing justice who you are and
when you overflow people notice and it
impacts the world and it gave you
permission to do that again yeah oh so
good so good now we could have a whole
podcast on forgiveness because we know
and we have those emotional and
invisible ties to the past we really
have we can’t create in the future
because it’s emotionally holding us back
but I want to head down the road of your
dreams because you spent time on post-it
notes and you are writing down these
dreams and you’re writing down these
ideas and you were allowing your
creative mind to be at work even in the
mundane job how did you use that
creativity that vision that those dreams
would you do with it so I don’t have a
blueprint or anything but you’re exactly
right
I would write it down and I was dreaming
while I was working and I think that
this comes down to did I talk about lily
pads on my when I interview you last
week Denise I don’t think so okay well I
actually live by lily pads and I can get
into the acronym but I think life is
like a series of lily pads and I believe
that if you don’t take every
initiative that’s possible for you to
take while you’re on the lily pad that
you’re currently on
you may stay stuck and I think that’s
why so many people stay stuck and get
frustrated and irritated with where they
are in life even people who are well off
even people who look rich on the outside
everyone comes in to rough patches of
course but especially if you’re somebody
who’s you feel like you’ve been stuck
for a long time and you’re like dude I
can’t stand this like what is going on I
am too good for my job this kind of
attitude is not serving you so what it
came down to for me was I’ve always
pride myself on my work ethic it’s not
flawless at all I definitely need to
step up a lot more but I work hard at
what I’m doing so whether that’s
scrubbing the toilets at McDonald’s at
my first job in high school or it’s
delivering beer all over New Jersey at
the casinos and you know being
mistreated by co-workers or talking to
people that are in the Union for beer
delivery and stuff in New Jersey
whatever it is doing the best that I can
in that season so that I can jump to the
next lily pad as soon as possible
because lily pads die each season
they’re not meant to hold you up they’re
not meant to keep you you know I don’t
think yeah and that’s where mo says oh
it’s a journey the whole thing is the
gift is the journey it’s not the
destination because you get to oh my
gosh I always ask people this I’m like
if you got to that destination tomorrow
you wake up let’s say your destination
Oh once I get my money right
everything’s fine I’ll see you wake up
tomorrow ten mil in your bank account
what are you gonna do have you ever
asked yourself that like are you even
ready to handle your dreams that’s where
a lot of people want to stop talking to
me is like let me go think about that
and I don’t know personally I’m not I
think I would go travel and I think I
would start giving a lot more which is
just my what I think I would do but am I
ready for that probably not I think I’m
being prepared by the storms that you
have to weather on each and every lily
pad I love that analogy you guys you can
totally picture a lily pad and you’re
like you either sink or you jump you
either like die with it
each season or you take that risk and
and jump even if you fall off or one leg
goes off or it’s not perfect you’re
making progress and progress is where
the growth comes from and you can look
back in three years and be like
oh my gosh I’m like three or four lily
pads ahead or different than I was a few
years ago sometimes we don’t notice the
steps right away but we can look back
and just see how far we’ve come so did
you take those dreams and start to
develop a business plan did you pick one
to hone in first how did you start the
media business
yeah a hundred percent so I literally
would go to this restaurant that had
Wi-Fi for my lunch breaks we had
extended lunch breaks like an hour and a
half typically and I would go with my
packed lunch or sometimes I would buy
lunch and I would sit there and I would
type on my computer for the whole break
and I I started planning I started
writing out you know ideas I have a book
here and the idea is two guys die to the
to the need for perfection I have a
stupid free weekly planner that was from
the year Pryor’s at 2016 and I just
wrote with Sharpie on the front of it
really sloppy it just says idea book and
then I have made this an idea it’s not
even grammatically correct made this an
idea book nine ten sixteen because I
need to sort my ideas better and it says
paper clips represent next category and
it’s the sloppiest gross looking silly
weekly planner book you get for ninety
nine cents at Walmart but it’s loaded
with all my ideas and all of my sorted
outs
post-it notes my little dream receipts
and they’re all through here all
different things that I came up with
while I was working that job and I
decided to capitalize on certain one so
one I started was this digital media
marketing so I invested in a really nice
drone I’ve been editing videos because I
had tried to well actually while I was
working this job I was also running a
YouTube channel focused on fitness and I
had made over 200 videos for that so I
was mastering how to edit video how to
connect with other online influencers
things like that on the side of my day
job and I think you know not knowing
where you’re going is okay I think it’s
good to just start doing things messy
action right
you took your post-it notes you
organized them and then you picked one I
think a lot of times we can think we
have to do everything all of at once and
you can only jump from one lily pad to
the other so you picked one to really
hold on that’s so good I was talking
about this
weeks guys on another podcast I was
talking about just that so when I was a
kid these lily pads are real toys by the
way if you go to like a water park if
you go to like a kid’s aqua park or
whatever it’s called we would go to one
as when I was in like middle school and
me and my buddies would try to sprint
across the lily pads and inevitably what
would happen is you might get to the
second-to-last lily pad
but one day they have these ropes that
Singhal okay they like hang so you can
hold the rope and like walk across the
lily pads like you’re supposed to but we
would like clear a path we were those
obnoxious kids that would just sprint
and probably scare every other parent
there including the lifeguards but we
would try to run across and as you can
imagine we’d get to be maybe the second
to last one without thinking okay what
happens if I actually make it to the
other end the other concrete platform
running full sprint sloppily on top of
these floating lily pads you’re probably
gonna bust your ankle on the edge or
fall or break your face on the on the on
the edge like we weren’t thinking about
that we just wanted to get there fast
and that’s something I’m I’m currently
really having to accept is it takes so
much time and it’s a long game and there
is no easy there is no easy path like
there just isn’t and once you accept
that and realize anything you want
success in at any level in any area of
your life requires maintenance and
consistent improvement that you have to
focus on or like until you accept that
you’re gonna be – you may become
discouraged from well it’s been a year
or it’s been two years been 19 months
and nothing yet or not what I expected
yet and instead of that it has to be
okay except that this is a long-term
thing and once you accept that you can
really start to take some action because
you’ve freed yourself up from the mental
noise of why am I not there yet this
isn’t so if you tried it like you said
yeah exactly it’s one to the next so if
you go full sprint try to go too fast
then you get clotheslined which is
exactly what happened to me physically
and mentally so I would run full sprint
across these lily pads and it was really
funny because we got when I would get to
the very end the rope had become
stretched and I didn’t know that yet but
when people let go of it it’s it it sags
down to its normal like resting
spot and it had dropped over the summer
just from being used so much these ropes
where people hang and walk across these
lily pads to maintain balance probably a
foot lower than normal and I remember
getting clothes lined right across my
gum line and it went like through not
through my lip but like it bypassed my
lip and just scraped my lower gum and
literally clothesline me my feet flew up
in the air and my head my head flew back
and smashed into the lily pad that I was
aiming for and then I just floated
underwater with my eyes open like
assessing if I broke anything and I
remember that that was the last time I
did the full sprint it hurt so yeah
that’s hilarious my son actually we just
went to Great Wolf Lodge here and
Michigan and he was that kid on those
lily pads who would make the line wait
because he waited until the path was
clear mm-hmm and then he timed himself
so he was timing himself and we just got
and laughed and were like what does this
say about his personality at seven years
old and we’ll just see what happens but
it’s really funny to think about you can
you can look back in your life and see
alright when did I try to sprint too
fast without necessarily thinking about
all of the options when did I try to
take on too much maybe it’s too much to
do or too many goals at one time or
maybe it’s the too many emotions of
other people like trying to save
everyone and we can look back and see
kind of those patterns in our life which
increases our self-awareness but then we
can do something about it which
increases our EQ like how can we own
ourselves owner emotions and then take a
step on purpose in the direction that we
desire and Denise what’s the name what’s
your son’s name his name is Owen and you
know what he’s got red hair too
so you know that’s so good that’s
awesome who tell him tell him the ladies
love it so he’ll be fine okay on top of
that youth is an advantage so if you’re
listening to this and you’re in your 30s
40s or even your pre 20s or you’re in
your early 20s so there’s a Bible verse
it’s first Timothy 4:12 and it says
don’t let anyone look down on you
because you are young but set an example
for the believers in speech
conduct in love in faith and purity so
that being said oh and being seven years
old has an advantage over my middle
school self and getting across those
lily pads because of his weight
distribution is a little bit lighter so
it doesn’t cause the lily pad to flop
too much so that’s kind of funny because
youth can be an advantage if you
capitalize on it correctly so one thing
that’s on my dream board now but both of
my boys have red hair which is so random
because I have blonde hair and I thought
all my children would have blonde hair
and my boys would look like Zack Morris
from 9:02 and oh like that was my vision
and both my boys have red hair and we’re
just you know Irish roots from way back
potato famine stuff but on my dream
board is to go to Ireland in the year
2021 because Owen will be 10 and go to
the red hair festival so just so you
know Jonathan you don’t know they have a
red hair festival I found their Facebook
it’s I’m like I’m totally making my
children I probably will care more than
they will bye so I started
reverse-engineering it right we’ve got
these dreams you’ve got these goals and
then I thought all right well we need to
practice this so they had one in Chicago
so last year in August we went to
Chicago I we got red hair don’t care
shirts red hair is my superpower I you
know shamrock gingers with my shirt show
up to this park and so do like hundreds
of other redheads and it was so funny to
see their response of being amongst
people that look like them just because
redheads are few and far between
apparently they’re going extinct but I
say this because I think sometimes we
take a dream or we take a goal and we
just wait till 2021 to figure out how
it’s going to happen but goals take
consistency they take time they take
jumping from one lily pad to the other
it takes looking up how much is it gonna
cost to go to Ireland where would we
stay both and then how do we get you
know like can I save up enough points so
we can go first class that would be a
really good goal like revert it get that
bowl and 22
one starts now and I start taking steps
in that direction now and that’s how it
actually happens so just so you know if
you are ever interested totally go to
Ireland in August it’s a thing I didn’t
know you know the day in August I think
it’s no I didn’t look for okay my
birthday is in August so that’s the
trick you should I feel like it’s the
same weekend like the second or third
weekend every year so the date probably
changes but they’ve got a full-blown
Facebook page that you can check it out
that’s that’s funny I’ll definitely
check it out and one of the best
comebacks I’m sure you know I’m sure you
guys your boys are going to be fine with
their confidence but one of the best
comebacks that I found was anytime the
class would gang up on me about my hair
I actually had never really it
definitely existed but I was typically
friends with the people picking on me so
it didn’t usually make a lasting mark
well one of the my favorite comebacks is
just saying something like oh that’s
very creative sarcastically because
every jokey here has been said ten other
times within the last year so it’s not
anything new that’s funny it is it’s
really you’re like I like my red hair it
gets me attention thank you very much I
know but not a level of obnoxiousness
like I’ve never I don’t I don’t like
embrace it like oh like yeah I have red
hair like I mean that’s awesome but I
don’t typically I don’t care that much
about you know going man yeah it’s funny
well cool so lilly pads it’s one step at
a time it’s it’s it’s focus right you
have to focus on the next lily pad I’m
told you we’re gonna take this a whole
nother level focus heleng2 and then take
the leap and jump so you took your
sticky notes or post-it notes you
organized them in your book you allowed
that creative juice to flow but then you
picked the digital marketing media
consulting stuff from your YouTube
experience from the editing experience
how did you launch your business did you
just start telling people like how did
it how did it work for you yeah and to
your point about planning the pad in
lily pad actually I made an acronym it’s
prioritize P prioritize a allocate and D
decide so prioritize what matters most
to you
allocate your time and resources to the
things that matter most like for example
don’t buy things you can’t afford to
impress people we don’t like we’ve all
heard that and focus on the absolute
essentials so you can live how you want
to live sooner than later
like what’s going to provide you a
richer life now maybe a better mattress
allocate funds to purchasing foods that
will give you more energy cut spending
on eating out maybe instead of three
times a week you go once yeah I don’t
believe diets I don’t believe in them
financially or nutritionally typically
because unless you’re planning to
sustain it for the rest of your life you
have to find replacements so a big thing
for me with allocating those funds is
finding replacements for the more
expensive option and if you’re willing
to be self-aware and dive deep you can
find ways to allocate your time and
resources more effectively he just can a
quick story on the allocation thing
after I stepped away from my position as
a rehab specialist I wanted to still be
treated by that chiropractic office
because I was on a plan and I had been
getting treated three times a week for
every year and it was really giving me a
lot of benefits my in my life well it
would have cost me like $1,000 a month
to keep going and I was just like yeah
it’s not gonna be an option for me right
now and so I talked with him and you
know emotional intelligence was at play
and also my desire to serve his company
because I had no hard feelings I really
liked working with him and I bartered
and to this day
we’ve bartered over six thousand dollars
worth of services back and forth so I’ll
get treatments you know x-rays whatever
is needed in exchange I’ll create him
like super high-quality testimonial
videos with some of his clientele or
maybe it’s a new office tour did that
for him so there is a way to be more
resourceful and that’s what
entrepreneurship is all about doesn’t
necessarily mean that you make more
money maybe somebody listens to your
podcast and says I want to invite them
to dinner that really spoke to me and if
you can see between the lines the silver
lining is always there it just is and
it’s that’s where gratitude comes in and
appreciating what you’re actually doing
and then the d and pad is decide I
believe decision is one of the greatest
enemies to anxiety and so if you’re
listening and you’re a little anxious or
you have restlessness about the job
you’re in or the job you’re currently
the Entrepreneurship role you
accept it it can be really scary to make
concrete decisions but what’s the
alternative if you’re anxious anyway
because you fail to make a decision and
what do you lose by making a decision
just go from autopilot to decision-maker
and remember that without a decision you
cannot move
you just stay stuck in a season on that
lilly pad that’s not meant to keep
holding you so if you decide then that
allows you to set yourself up to win and
decide to embrace where you are you need
each and every season that you’re in to
prepare you for where you’re going each
job you’re in everything is just a
parking spot deciding is like the sword
for double-mindedness you know the
restlessness that you what should i do
should I do this and then you take a
step and you’re like should I have done
that was that the right move I don’t
know that that restlessness that
double-mindedness the uncertainty that
anxiety that you mentioned I absolutely
agreed to side on it and keep going
because that’s the only way God can
allow the how to show up is when you’re
actually moving mm-hmm yeah that’s a
great point so what do you do now so
after you decide it’s my belief that’s
largely the reason like the failure to
decide on things as simple as decide and
then start making pre decisions so
decide in advance where you’re going to
hide when things go wrong are you gonna
run to that worldly vice or you’re gonna
run to God I struggle with this a little
bit still I think we all have our demons
but my thing is with the power of the
Holy Spirit I’ve been able to overcome
and that is not to say I’m a perfect
person I’m not I’d go through like
multiple things that I do each day that
I like how why did I say that why did I
judge that person whatever the case may
be but yes after you decide realize that
you need to enjoy the process and enjoy
your life and that provides a mental and
don’t get don’t tune this out if you’re
listening because you may have heard
this before the word abundance there
really is an abundance in knowing Christ
and living the way he wants us to live
so if you enjoy your life at that point
lilypad jumping is fun and it’s sloppy
and it’s silly but it’s so so fun so
you’ll slip and you’ll definitely fall
and you’ll probably get hurt but you can
always climb back on top and try again I
always ask what is the worst case
scenario so the last step is after you
decide is to just go take actual notes
of excuses in your brain write them down
and burn them in a physical fire and
watch them burn and say I will no longer
make excuses I am going to create the
life that I know I want to live and God
will steer your ship
he will steer it he will be the rudder
you just have to put the hustle into the
sails and then it will start moving and
maybe you’re going way off to the left
of where he wants you to go and remember
it’s actually in Romans 8 but it talks
about the importance of or it talks
about how the Holy Spirit is praying for
us if you didn’t know that now you know
and it I would definitely recommend
reading Romans 8 I think it’s verse 21
or verse 22 talks about how an aspect of
God is the Holy Spirit and he is praying
for us for the greater good so it’s
going to benefit you and if you realize
that it really just allows you to just
take a deep breath ah just okay
everything’s going to work out but don’t
allow your fears or your past
experiences or going back to earlier in
the interview unforgiveness to keep you
from stepping forward like oh shut up
here in your 20s you’re young you
haven’t gone through divorce you haven’t
lost you know you haven’t had a
miscarriage you don’t know no I don’t
but I also do have many friends who have
and I do also know I don’t understand
that and I also don’t understand why I
lost a friend to suicide a month ago but
I can tell you that letting things hold
you back isn’t serving you or anyone
else around you so just keep your head
up and keep trying and keep going
because only then will you able to
actually make any progress and reach a
state of momentum mm-hmm absolutely it’s
trusting the process even if you don’t
understand or have all of the answers
it’s trusting that as you continue to
move God will put the how in your path
the right people will come exactly when
you need them the support will come the
love will come the challenge will come
everything will is exactly where it’s
supposed to be and that can dissipate
the anxiety as well when you choose to
trust the process including the ebbs and
flows along the way yeah that taught me
a great deal and continues to do so two
last questions for you so you are very
well developed like I am hearing books
and quotes and just you can
tell that you’ve spent time developing
yourself so kudos to you and and really
it’s empowering and inspiring because we
all want to be growing too so who would
you say is me your favorite books or
people that you’ve learned from it’s
really simple I look at them and this is
funny because at my lat taught me this
but it’s looking at people like a mentor
or an author as friends to assist you so
if you actually start reading their
content and absorbing it as in you’re
sitting there and they are your friend
it affects you differently than just
like oh who is this holier-than-thou
person who’s a multi-millionaire who’s
done what I want to do you look at them
like oh no um we’re friends they’re just
a person so it takes that pedestal out
of the picture and allows you to learn a
deeper level John Maxwell all of his
books and my friend of mine doctors
ain’t no personal mentor pastor Chandler
there’s a guy Tim Keller in New York and
there’s Psalm 139 verses 23 to 24 and I
also worked on this list Abe Lincoln for
the emotional intelligence and I haven’t
researched him enough but he was the
Jedi master of emotional intelligence
and a past guest that I’ve had on my
podcast named Joe Calloway professional
speaker in Tennessee has talked about we
were talking and he said one of his
favorite books is that one with Abe
Lincoln and I think it was I forget I
think it was a biography about Abe
Lincoln and it was the it was like team
of enemies or something like that that’s
not the title but it talks about how Abe
Lincoln sat down and learned civilly he
had people in his cabinet who he
completely vehemently disagreed with but
he took them seriously because he needed
to understand the whole gamut of the
perspective and he was willing to do
that with a humble spirit and that’s
where I strive to emulate so those are
just a few of the names awesome Samarra
one last question for you so you there’s
maybe there’s somebody’s listening who
they’ve begun executing their vision
they’re taking those steps but they
still have a bit of fear or anxiety what
would you say to somebody who’s in the
middle of pivoting and a bit nervous to
jump to that next to the bed just be
consistent and
and realize that procrastination is
actually your ego and why I say that is
because when you procrastinate you tell
yourself when I get to that next lily
pad then I’ll be rich and then I’ll have
the new car and then my life will look
like this so your ego is telling you oh
that at that point when I decide to take
action well the procrastination is your
ego because it’s keeping you from taking
action you’re not actually there that’s
not even reality so until you take
action nothing happens when you take
action you realize oh crap this is
really hard so I would just say stay
focused be consistent assess the lens
that you’re seeing the world through
everyone’s going through similar trials
and insecurities everybody everybody so
stop putting people on pedestals one
thing I really am grateful for over
coming over the last year I wasn’t being
honest with myself about how I look at
other people and I was really judgmental
and that manifested itself in I think
it’s important to be selective with your
circle but don’t be so judgmental in the
day to day with people judging people
doesn’t serve you keep your word to
yourself if you say you’re going to do
something actually do it even if it’s
the fundamentals and I would start there
personally I’m still trying to master
those awesome awesome well thank you so
much for sharing your wisdom with us you
guys check out the heart-healthy hustle
calm that’s the heart-healthy hustle
podcast to create your own vision but
also to dig deep and deal with the
challenges that entrepreneurship brings
with somebody like John on your side I
feel like you just add value wherever
you go so thank you so much for being on
today I really appreciate it yeah Denise
absolutely appreciate you having me on
and it was also a blast to have you on
my podcast as well so if you are a big
fan of Denise’s show which you probably
are from listening to this epic podcast
then jump over to mine and listen to her
interview first yes absolutely all of
the links to his website and podcast
will be in the show notes below
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