interCHANGE | Program | #1902

interCHANGE | Program | #1902


>>HI EVERYONE.
WELCOME TO “INTERCHANGE.”
I’M DAN JONES.
THANKS FOR JOINING US.
I THINK YOU’RE GOING TO LIKE OUR
CONVERSATION TODAY BECAUSE WE
HAVE LOTS OF INTERESTING THINGS
TO TALK ABOUT.
WE’LL TALK ABOUT MARY BURKE,■ç
THE WOMAN WHO HAS DECIDED EARLY
ON THAT SHE’S GOING TO TAKE ON
SCOTT WALKER IN THE RACE FOR
GOVERNOR.
WE’LL TALK ABOUT PROPOSALS TO
DRAMATICALLY CHANGE THE WAY
MILWAUKEE COUNTY TAKES CARE OF
MENTALLY ILL PATIENTS.
AND WE’LL TALK ABOUT THE NEWS
THAT THE BIG NAME ENTERTAINMENT
COMPANY HARD ROCK MIGHT RUN A
CASINO IF AND WHEN IT EVER GETS
BUILT IN KENOSHA.
LET ME INTRODUCE EVERYONE.
JOEL MCNALLY, LONG-TIME
NEWSPAPER COLUMNIST.
GERARD RANDALL, EDUCATION
CONSULTANT AND LOCAL JOB
CREATION EXPERT.
DENISE CALLAWAY, COMMUNICATIONS
AND PUBLIC RELATIONS
PROFESSIONAL.
RICK HOROWITZ WILL BE ALONG WITH
COMMENTARY AT THE END OF THE
SHOW.
LET’S TALK FIRST ABOUT MARY
BURKE, THE WEALTHY MADISON
DEMOCRAT WHO ANNOUNCED THIS WEEK
THAT SHE’S GOING TO RUN AGAINST
SCOTT WALKER.
A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE WONDERING IF
SHE HAS ANY CHANCE AGAINST A
GOVERNOR WHO WAS ELECTED NOT
ONCE BUT TWICE.
AND AGAINST A GOVERNOR WHO HAS
THE ABILITY TO RAISE BOATLOADS
OF MONEY FROM ALL ACROSS THE
COUNTRY.
YES?
I DIDN’T CHANCE OR NOT?
>>■ç WELL, CERTAINLY SHE HAS A
CHANCE.
HERE’S WHAT I THINK PLAYS IN HER
FAVOR.
SHE’S PREPARED TO SPEND A
SIGNIFICANT AM OF HER OWN
PERSONAL RESOURCE IN ORDER TO DO
IT.
THE DEMS ARE GOING TO EVENLY
SPLIT, 45-45, WITH REPUBLICANS
ON VOTES IN THIS STATE ANYHOW
FOR STATEWIDE OFFICE, SO YOU
HAVE 10% THAT’S IN PLAY.
CAN SHE CONVINCE THE MAJORITY OF
THAT 10% THAT SHE’S THE PERSON
TO LEAD THE STATE?
SOMETIMES MONEY IS THE
CONTROLLING FACTOR.
SOMETIMES EXPERIENCE.
SOMETIMES NOTORIETY OR PEOPLE’S
CONFIDENCE IN SOMEONE’S ABILITY
TO LEAD AND PULL YOU OUT OF A
MESS.
I THINK SCOTT WALKER WILL HAVE
THE MONEY TO ARTICULATE HIS
CASE.
HE CERTAINLY CAME OUT LIKE
GANGBUSTERS WITH THIS PROPOSAL
TO REBATE $100 MILLION BACK TO■ç
TAXPAYERS, SO THAT WILL BE THE
KIND OF CAMPAIGN THAT’S GOING TO
BE RUFFIN — TO BE RUN.
I THINK THERE’S ANOTHER FACTOR
THAT PEOPLE MAY NOT HAVE
CONSIDERED, THAT MAY OR MAY NOT
PLAY IN FAVOR OF MARY BURKE.
THE GOVERNOR’S OFFICE IS A
STATEWIDE TICKET, BUT SO IS THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL’S OFFICE, WHICH
IS MANY CONSIDER IT THE SECOND
MOST PROMINENT POSITION ON THE
STATE TICKET.
THAT TICKET IS VACANT, AND SO
WHOEVER IS THE NOMINEE FOR THE
DEMS OR FOR THE REPUBLICANS IS
GOING TO BE EXPECTED TO CARRY
SOME PERCENTAGE OF THAT 10% IN
HELPING TO MAKE THE CASE FOR AN
OVERALL TICKET TO WIN OR LOSE,
AND SO THE REPUBLICANS ARE GOING
TO HAVE TO GIVE SOME SERIOUS
CONSIDERATION AS TO WHO WILL
REPLACE J.B. VAN HOLLEN.■ç
THE DEMS LIKEWISE, BECAUSE IF
MARY BURKE IS WILLING TO SPEND
HER OWN RESOURCE, THEY CAN THEN
PULL BACK MONEY THAT NORMALLY
WOULD HAVE BEEN DEVOTED
EXCLUSIVELY TO HELPING HER GET
ELECTED, TO MOVE SOMEONE INTO
THE A.G.’S OFFICE AND I THINK
THAT’S THE DYNAMIC YOU’RE GOING
TO SEE.
>>DENISE, IF WALKER COULD WIN
THAT RECALL ELECTION AFTER ALL
THOSE DEMONSTRATIONS AND
EVERYBODY IN WISCONSIN KNEW
EXACTLY WHERE HE STOOD ON THE
ISSUES, HOW COULD MARY BURKE
THEN COME IN AFTER WALKER WAS
ELECTED TWICE AND THINK SHE
COULD WIN?
>>WELL I THINK SHE BELIEVES SHE
CAN WIN AND OTHER PEOPLE BELIEVE
SHE CAN WIN, BECAUSE SHE IS
SOMEONE WHO HAS A PERFECT TRACK
RECORD AND HAS A GOOD SET OF
IDEAS.
SHE IS ALSO SOMEONE WHO, YOU
KNOW, MANAGED — HASN’T MANAGED
TO ALIENATE A SIGNIFICANT
PORTION OF THE POPULATION IN THE
STATE OF WISCONSIN.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK WE
HAVE TO REMEMBER IS THAT WHEN,
FOR THE RECALL ELECTION, THERE
WERE PEOPLE WHO SIGNED THEC
RECALL PETITION BUT WHO SAID
THEY WOULD NOT VOTE AGAINST
GOVERNOR WALKER, BECAUSE THEY
WEREN’T SURE THAT IT ROSE TO
THAT LEVEL OF ACTUALLY HAVING A
RECALL — ACTUALLY VOTING TO
RECALL HIM, SO I THINK THAT WAS
A VERY, VERY NARROW SET OF
CRITERIA THAT PEOPLE WERE TAKING
A LOOK AT WHEN THEY MADE THAT
DECISION.
THE RECALL ELECTION WAS ALL
ABOUT ACT 10.
WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE RACE FOR
GOVERNOR AND IT’S GOING TO BE
ONE THING AND THAT’S JOBS.
HAS THE PROMISE THAT GOVERNOR
WALKER MADE TO PRODUCE 250,000
JOBS IN THE STATE BEEN MET?
AND THAT’S A REALLY SIMPLE YES
OR NO.
THERE DOESN’T NEED TO BE AN
ASTERISK BEHIND IT LIKE THERE
SHOULD BE BEHIND THE COMMERCIAL
THAT’S RUNNING THAT FALSELY
STATES THAT WISCONSIN IS ONE OF
THE TOP TWO STATES IN GROWING
THE ECONOMY.
IF YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT WHAT’S
ON THE STRING, IT’S BEENmy RANKD
AMONG THE TOM FOR GROWTH
POTENTIAL.
IN LAYMEN’S PERSONS, THAT MEANS
THE JOBS EIGHT HERE YET.
SO I THINK IT’S GOING TO BE
ABOUT JOBS, IT’S GOING TO BE
ABOUT PROMISES KEPT AND IN THIS
CASE, UNLESS THERE IS SOME
MIRACLE THAT HAPPENS HERE, MAYBE
WE’LL BE TALKING ABOUT ONE OF
THOSE LATER IN THE SHOW, WE’RE
NOT GOING TO GET TO 250,000 JOBS
AND THAT’S THE PART OF THE
RECORD THE GOVERNOR HAS TO RUN
ON.
>>IS SHE A PERFECT CANDIDATE, A
FLAWED CANDIDATE AND IS SHE A
BETTER CANDIDATE THAN TOM
BARRETT WAS ON PAPER?
>>I THINK SHE’S A BETTER
CANDIDATE THAN TOM BARRETT AND I
LIKE TOM BARRETT.
SHE’S A BETTER CANDIDATE BECAUSE
IT’S NOT JUST A RERUN OF THE
SAME ELECTION.
AFTER A YEAR OF SCOTT WALKER IN
OFFICE, WE RAN EXACTLY THE SAME
CANDIDATE, IT WAS PRETTY MUCH
EXACTLY THE SAME RACE, EXCEPT
LIKE DENISE SAID, A WHOLE LOT OF
PEOPLE SAID HE’S ONLY BEEN IF
OFFICE A YEAR, IS THAT RIGHT?
YOU KNOW, THAT WE SHOULD THROW
HIM OUT OF OFFICE WHEN HE HASN’T
GOTTEN A CHANCE TO PROVE
HIMSELF?
.11115))SPáTER OF FACT, HE’S
NOW HAD A CHANCE TO PROVE
HIMSELF AND IT’S BEEN A
DISASTER.
WE’RE ONE OF THE WORST RECORDS
IN THE NATION IN JOB CREATION.
THE — YOU KNOW, HE’S ALIENATED
NORTHERN WISCONSIN BY TURNING
OVER THE ENVIRONMENT TO A PIPING
COMPANY THAT WROTE ITS OWN
REGULATIONS TO — MINING COMPANY
THAT WROTE ITS OWN REGULATIONS
TO DESTROY THE ECONOMY.
HE’S DESTROYED EDUCATION AND
GUTTED EDUCATION.
YOU KNOW, GERARD MENTIONS.
YOU KNOW, FUNNELING MONEY
ALLEGEDLY TO SCHOOLS OF THIS —
OF THIS SURPLUS HE ALLEGEDLY
HAS.
THE REASON HE HAS A SURPLUS IS
HE TOOK ALL THIS MONEY OUT OF
SCHOOLS AND NOW HE’S NOT PUTTING
IT IN SCHOOLS, BECAUSE THEY
DON’T GET TO SPEND IT ON
EDUCATION.
THEY USE IT TO GIVE PEOPLE A $13
REBATE ON THEIR PROPERTY TAX,
WHICH IS NOTHING.
AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, HE
HAS BEEN A DISASTER AND SHE,
[email protected], LIKE I SAID, SHE IS NOT
JUST THE SAME OLD STORY.
SHE IS A VERY INTERESTING STORY,
SHE’S A VERY SUCCESSFUL PERSON,
AS A BUSINESS WOMAN, AS A PERSON
WHO WAS CREATED JOBS, AS
COMMERCE SECRETARY IN THIS
STATE.
AND SHE HAS AN MBA FROM HARVARD,
RUNNING AGAINST A GUY WHO HAS A
HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA, AND HE HAS
PROVEN HIMSELF TO SIMPLY BE
INCOMPETENT AT CREATING JOBS.
HE PROMISED JOBS, HE SET UP A
JOB CREATION AGENCY, WHICH NOT
ONLY, IT FUNNELED LOTS OF MONEY
TO HIS CONTRIBUTORS, BUT IT DID
NOT EVEN TRACK IT TO SEE WHETHER
ANY JOBS WERE BEING CREATED AND
THREE-FOURTHS OF THE WAY THROUGH
HIS TERM, HE HAS NOW FAILED.
>>MY FRIENDS ARE OVERLY
OPTIMISTIC.
AND IT’S VERY EARLY.
>>OF COURSE YOU DO.
>>WHEN YOU HAVE A RACE THAT’S A
YEAR OUT AND YOU’VE GOT AS MUCH
MONEY AS GOING TO■ç COME IN TO
THIS STATE, AND TARGETED,
TARGETED KINDS OF CAMPAIGNING, I
THINK YOU’RE GOING TO SEE
SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT AND I
ALSO THINK THAT AFTER THAT LAST
ELECTION, THAT THOMPSON LOST,
YOU’VE GOT A LOT OF REPUBLICANS
THAT ARE SAYING, WE’RE NOT GOING
TO RUN THE KIND OF CAMPAIGN THAT
WAS RUN IN THE THOMPSON RACE,
BECAUSE IT DIDN’T FIT THE STYLE
OF THOMPSON.
THEY’RE GOING TO RUN SOMETHING
THAT’S MORE AKIN TO THE STYLE OF
SCOTT WALKER, THAT SHOWS HIM AS
NOT JUST PERSONABLE, BUT
RELIABLE.
>>HE’S PERSONABLE AND HE’S
INCOMPETENT.
>>WELL, I WOULDN’T SAY
INCOMPETENT.
I MEAN, I COME FROM THE
STANDPOINT THAT HE’S DONE WHAT
I’VE EXPECTED HIM TO DO.
THE PIECE WITH REGARDS TO THE
JOBS, I HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT
VOTERS ARE GOING TO TAKE A LOOK
TO SAY, ARE WE ON THE RIGHT
TRACK IF TERMS OF JOB
PRODUCTION.
AND IF THEY ARE CONVINCED THAT
THAT’S THE■ç CASE, THEN WHETHERE
GETS 200, 250, OR 300,000 JOBS
ISN’T GOING TO MATTER.
THEY’RE GOING TO WANT TO KNOW,
IS THE STATE ON THE TRACK THEY
EXPECT IT TO BE.
>>I THINK THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO
WILL HOLD HIM ACCOUNTABLE FOR
THE 250,000, BECAUSE IT WAS SUCH
A BIG PART OF HIS CAMPAIGN.
REPEATEDLY OVER AND OVER AGAIN,
THAT WAS THE PRIMARY FOCUS AND
GERARD, I DON’T DISAGREE WITH
YOU, I THINK REPUBLICANS DON’T
WANT TO RUN THE SAME KIND OF
RACE THEY DID IN THE THOMPSON-
BALDWIN RACE, BUT
THAT’S ONLY HALF THE STORY.
THE OTHER PART OF IT IS THAT
TAMMY BALDWIN RAN AN INCREDIBLE
RACE.
IN MANY WAYS, LIKE MARY BURKE,
VERY LOW KEY, SOME PEOPLE WERE
IMMEDIATELY DISMISSIVE OF HER
AND IT’S A CAME OF CATCHUP AT
THE VERY END.
>>I WAS ONE OF THEM.
>>MARY BURKE AND TAMMY BALDWIN
ARE CUT OUT OF THE SAME CLOTH IN
TERMS OF THE FACT■ç THAT THEY WE
COMPETENT, VERY ACCOMPLISHED
WOMEN, WHO WERE ALSO INCREDIBLY
SMART AND POLITICALLY SAVVY.
I THINK PEOPLE WHO ARE SITTING
UP HERE NOW SAYING SHE DOESN’T
HAVE A CHANCE ARE THE SAME
PEOPLE SITTING UP HERE A YEAR
FROM NOW SAYING WHAT HAPPENED.
>>I’LL TAKE THAT BET.
>>OK.
>>I’LL TAKE THAT BET.
>>LET ME SAY ONE THING ABOUT
MONEY.
IF IT WAS — IF — IN POLITICS
TODAY IS SIMPLY ABOUT MONEY, WE
DON’T EVEN HAVE TO RUN THE
CAMPAIGN.
WE’LL SEE WHICH SIDE HAS THE
MOST MONEY AND WE’LL DECHAIR
THAT PERSON — DECLARE THAT
PERSON THE WINNER, BUT THE TRUTH
OF THE MATTER IS, BOTH SIDES
WILL HAVE A LOT OF MONEY.
IN THE CASE OF MARY BURKE, IT’S
GOING TO BE MONEY FROM
WISCONSIN, FROM A COMPANY THAT
WAS STARTED IN WISCONSIN, THAT
BECAME A GLOBAL COMPANY, AND
BECAME A HUGE NATIONAL AND
INTERNATIONAL SUCCESS.
IN THE CASE OF SCOTT WALKER,
IT’S GOING TO BE MONEY
CONTRIBUTED BY MILLIONAIRES AND
BILLIONAIRES WHO DON’T EVEN LIVE
HERE, AND I THINK THERE IS A
DIFFERENCE.
BUT I ALSO■WANT TO SAY THIS,
TEARS BEEN MORE INTELLIGENT
COMMENTS FROM THIS SIDE TONIGHT
THAN THERE USUALLY IS.
>>ALL RIGHT, NEXT TOPIC.
>>CAN WE TALK FOR A FEW MINUTES
ABOUT THE PROPOSALS BEING TALKED
ABOUT TO COMPLETELY RE-DO THE
THE WAY MILWAUKEE COUNTY TAKES
CARE OF ITS MENTAL HEALTH
PATIENTS.
FOR YEARS, “THE MILWAUKEE
JOURNAL SENTINEL” HAS BEEN
RUNNING ARTICLES EXTREMELY
CRITICAL OF THE WAY MILWAUKEE
COUNTY HANDLES MENTAL HEALTH
CARE.
ONE STATE LAWMAKER SAID THIS
WEEK THAT THE COUNTY FACILITY
WAS SO BAD HE WOULDN’T LET THE
PEOPLE THERE TAKE CARE OF HIS
DOG.
IF THE SYSTEM HAS BEEN SO BROKEN
FOR SO LONG, WHY HAS IT BEEN
NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO FIX IT?
>>ALL RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF
THINGS.
YEARS BACK, WHEN THERE WAS THIS
EFFORT ON THE WAY TO CREATE
HOSPITAL AUTHORITIES SO THAT YOU
COULD MINIMIZE THE COST OF
CARING FOR POOR, MOST OF
THESE HOSPITALS WERE AFFILIATED
WITH UNIVERSITIES OR■ç ENTITIES
THAT WANTED TO LOOK FOR WAYS TO
OFFSET THEIRS COSTS.
ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT I HAVE
WITH THIS IS THAT THERE’S A LOT
OF CONVERSATION, AND A LOT OF
DIFFERENT THEMES GETTING CAUGHT
UP INTO WHAT SHOULD BE DONE TO
BEST SERVE THE NEEDS OF THE
MENTALLY ILL AND THERE SEEMS TO
BE SOME AGREEMENT ON ALMOST ALL
OF IT.
BUT THERE SEEMS TO BE VERY
LITTLE AGREEMENT WITH HOW IT
NEEDS TO GET DONE.
>>AND WHO DOES IT?
>>AND WHO WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE
FOR IT.
I THINK THE COUNTY WOULD HAPPILY
LET GO OF ITS RESPONSIBILITY TO
MANAGE THE MENTAL HEALTH
FACILITY, IF THEY DIDN’T FEEL AS
THOUGH IT’S COMING AT THE SAME
TIME WHEN THERE’S THIS EFFORT TO
PULL AWAY OR PEEL AWAY AT ANY
RESPONSIBILITY THAT IT HAS FOR
ANYTHING.
AND SO WHAT’S NEXT?
THE AIRPORT, THE■ç PARKS?
I THINK THAT’S THE THEME THAT
KIND OF RUNS WITH THIS EFFORT.
IT MAKES PERFECTLY GOOD SENSE TO
HAVE A SEPARATE AUTHORITY,
PEOPLE WHO KNOW WHAT THEY’RE
DOING, TO MANAGE THE WORK THAT
NEEDS TO HAPPEN ON BEHALF OF THE
PEOPLE WHO ARE MENTALLY ILL IN
THIS COMMUNITY.
THE COUNTY WOULD STILL HAVE SOME
SKIN IN THE GAME, AND THAT’S HOW
MUCH — HOW MUCH, THAT’S THE
QUESTION.
THE STATE WANT TO DICTATE WHAT
SHOULD HAPPEN, HOW MUCH ARE THEY
WILLING TO PUT IN TO THE MIX TO
MAKE SURE THAT PROPER HEALTH
CARE IS DELIVERED AND WE’RE
TALKING RESOURCES HERE, NOT JUST
SMACK, AS HAS BEEN THE CASE SO
FAR.
EVERYBODY CAN BE LEGITIMATELY
OUTRAGED WITH THE KIND OF CARE
THAT’S BEEN PROVIDED SO FAR AND
THE LAG IN TIME THAT’S OCCURRED
WHILE PEOPLE RECEIVE DEFICIENT
CARE, NOT #
DESERVE TO HAVE.
AND FRANKLY, I DON’T SEE IT AS
JUST THE COUNTY BOARD’S FAULT, I
DON’T SEE IT AS PREVIOUS
ADMINISTRATOR’S FALL.
IT’S A COMBINATION OF ALL OF
THAT, AND ONE PROPOSAL TO SHOVE
IT OFF WITHOUT ADEQUATE
DISCUSSION OF ROLES AND
RESPONSIBILITIES AND RESOURCES
ISN’T GOING TO FIX IT.
>>YOU KNOW, THIS IS SUCH A SAD,
BECAUSE MANY OF THE PEOPLE,
THESE ARE SOME OF THE WORST OF
THE WORST AND THE SICKEST OF THE
SICK, BEING CARED FOR IN THIS
COUNTY FACILITY.
AND YOU LOOK AT THE — AT THE
PUSH NOW, AND IT SEEMS TO BE
WELL, WE WANT MORE OF A
COMMUNITY-BASED TREATMENT MODEL.
IS THE PUBLIC GOING TO BE MUCH
MORE INVOLVED AND MUCH MORE
OPPOSED ONCE THEY FIND OUT THAT
NO, WE’RE NOT TREATING THESE
PEOPLE IN A BIG BUILDING OUT IN
THE COUNTY GROUNDS THAT WE NEVER
SEE.
NOW THEY WANT TO PUT THESE
PEOPLE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY?
>>I THINK THERE’S A MORE
FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM HERE.
THAT IS THAT■ç WHETHER IT’S THE
COUNTY RUNNING IT OR THE STATE
RUNS IT OR THERE’S SOME THIRD
PARTY, OVERALL, WE DO A LOUSY
JOB OF TREATING PEOPLE WHO HAVE
MENTAL ILLNESS.
WE DO A LOUSY JOB AT IT, AND
QUITE FRANKLY, WE’RE STILL USING
SOME OF THE SAME PRACTICE, THE
SAME IDEAS, THE SAME PHILOSOPHY
USED 50 YEARS AGO.
IF WE TAKE A LOOK AT ANY OTHER
TYPE OF HEALTH CARE, THAT’S
WHERE WE NEED TO START TO AGAIN,
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A THOUSAND
TIMES ON THIS SHOW, THAT WE NEED
TO BEGIN TO TAKE A LOOK AT
MENTAL HEALTH AS AN ILLNESS,
JUST LIKE ANY OTHER SICKNESS IN
THE PART OF ANYBODY’S BODY.
BUT WE’RE USING SOME OF THE SAME
TACTICS WE USED 50 YEARS AGO.
IF WE WERE TREATING PEOPLE WITH
CANCER, WITH THE SAME STRATEGIES
AND THE SAME MEDICINES THAT WE
WERE USING 50 YEARS AGO, PEOPLE
WOULD THINK THAT THAT’S INSANE.
SO I THINK TO ME, A MORE
FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION■ç IS, NO, R
WHO’S DOING WHAT, BUT HOW ARE WE
TAKING A LOOK AT OUR OVERALL
APPROACH TO TREATING PEOPLE WHO
HAVE MENTAL ILLNESS IN THIS
COMMUNITY.
AND I THINK TO ME, THAT’S A MUCH
BIGGER QUESTION.
IF WE DON’T TACKLE THAT ISSUE,
TO REALLY SAY, WHAT ARE THE
DIFFERENT STRATEGIES THAT WE
NEED TO USE TO BE ABLE TO DO
THAT, AND LET’S GET OUT OF THE
LAST CENTURY, AND TAKE A LOOK AT
WHAT’S HAPPENING IN OTHER
COUNTRIES, TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT
OTHER STATES ARE DOING TO TREAT
MENTAL ILLNESS.
I DON’T THINK IT’S AS MUCH OF AN
ISSUE AS WHO RUNS IT AS THE FACT
THAT WE JUST DON’T KNOW WHO TO
DO IT IN THE STATE AND WE NEED
TO HAVE SOMEBODY HELP US FIGURE
THAT OUT.
>>IS THIS A STRONG EXAMPLE AS
WELL, OF ONE WRITER, MEG
KISSINGER, AN EXTREMELY TALENTED
JOURNALIST, SHE APPEARS TO BE
ABOUT TO CHANGE THE LAW.
>>I THINK THAT’S ABSOLUTELY
TRUE.
I WAS GOING TO BRING UP HER NAME
IF YOU DIDN’T, AND THAT IS WHY■ç
WE’RE TALKING ABOUT IT NOW AND
THAT IS WHY SOMETHING SERIOUS
MIGHT BE DONE NOW.
THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS, WE
HAVE KNOWN FOR DECADES THAT
COMMUNITY CARE WORKS BETTER THAN
INSTITUTIONALIZING, PUTTING ALL
THESE PEOPLE IN THE CENTRAL
PLACE.
AND WE SIMPLY, BECAUSE WE COULD
PUT THESE PEOPLE OUT OF SIGHT,
OUT OF MIND, WE SIMPLY WOULD NOT
COMMIT THE RESOURCES TO DO IT.
AND YOU KNOW, KATHLEEN EHLERS,
WHO CHRIS ABELE, COUNTY
EXECUTIVE, TRIED TO APPOINT
MOVING IN THIS DIRECTION UNDER
HIS ADMINISTRATION IS THE SAME
PERSON WHO TRIED TO DO IT BEFORE
AND WAS MOVING IN THE RIGHT
DIRECTION AND SHE ENDED UP
GETTING DUMPED.
AND THEN, NOW THIS TIME, BECAUSE
OF A FIGHT BETWEEN THE COUNTY
BOARD AND THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE,
SHE GOT DENIED THE JOB AGAIN,
ALTHOUGH SHE’S APPARENTLY GOING
TO BE COMMITTED TO DO IT,
THROUGH CHRIS ABELE’S OFFICE.
WE DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE BETTEç
PRACTICES, AND MEG KISSINGER’S
REPORTING HAS DONE A MAGNIFICENT
JOB OF BRINGING THAT TO THE
PUBLIC ATTENTION, AND HERE,
FORTUNATELY, GOING INTO AROUND
ELECTION YEAR, NOW THERE ARE
POLITICS WHO WANT — POLITICIANS
WHO WANT TO STAND UP AND DO IT.
ORDINARILY I WOULD BE AGAINST
THERE WHOLE, YOU KNOW, GOOD
GOD,ER WEEK, ALBERTHA — EVERY
WEEK ALBERTA DARLING COMES OUT
TO SAY THEY WANTS TO CHANGE
SOMETHING IN MILWAUKEE WITH WHAT
THEY’RE DOING BECAUSE SHE READ
SOMETHING IN THE NEWSPAPER.
SANDY PASCH WHO IS A POLITICIAN
WITH MENTAL HEALTH BACKGROUND,
SHE’S COMMITTED TO IT AND IT’S A
BIPARTISAN SUGGESTION THIS TIME,
NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, ONE
REPUBLICAN TRYING TO MAKE A NAME
FOR HERSELF.
>>ONE QUICK NOTE.
IF WE DON’T PAY ATTENTION TO IT
AND GET THIS PROBLEM FIXED NOW,
WE’RE GOING TO BE A DERAILED
TRAIN.
IMAGINE, JUSUç IN THE MILWAUKEE
PUBLIC SCHOOLS ALONE, 20% OF THE
STUDENT POPULATION ARE SPECIAL
NEEDS STUDENTS.
A BIG CHUNK OF THAT ARE STUDENTS
WHO HAVE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES
THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED LONG
TERM AND SOMEONE HAS GOT TO TAKE
CARE OF THAT.
>>ALL RIGHT, NEXT TOPIC.
THE
FOR MANY YEARS, THE MENOMONEE
INDIANS HAVE WANTED TO OPEN A
CASINO AT THE OLD GREYHOUND DOG
TRACK THERE.
A RECENT DECISION BY THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT LEAVES IT UP TO
GOVERNOR WALKER TO EITHER
APPROVE OR REJECT THE IDEA.
THIS WEEK WORD CAME THAT IF AND
WHEN A CASINO IS BUILT, IT WOULD
LIKELY BE RUN BY THE GIANT HARD
ROCK ENTERTAINMENT CORPORATION.
DOES THIS CHANGE THE WHOLE
DISCUSSION?
I MEAN, THAT’S ONE OF THE MOST
RECOGNIZABLE BRAND NAMES IN THE
WORLD, AND I WAS THINKING THE
OTHER DAY, IT’S LIKE IF YOU
DIDN’T WANT A HOSPITAL IN YOUR
COMMUNITY, AND THEN SUDDENLY,
THE MAYO CLINIC SAID THEY WERE
GOING TO RUN IT, EVERYBODY WOULD
SAY OH, MAYBE.
>>I’VE NEVER HEARD THE HARD
ROCK CAFE COMPARED TO THE MAYO
CLINIC BEFORE, BUT — WELL, THIS
IS■ç SO FAR OFF, I DON’T THINK
THAT FACT ITSELF IS GOING TO
MAKE THAT BIG A DIFFERENCE.
THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS, WE
ALL KNOW, BECAUSE OF THE FIRST
TOPIC WE TALKED ABOUT, NOTHING
IS GOING TO BE DONE IN THIS
STATE TILL AFTER THE GOVERNOR’S
ELECTION.
YOU KNOW, POLITICALLY, GOING IN
TO A RACE, NO ONE IS GOING TO BE
MAKING ANY DECISIONS ON SUCH A
CONTROVERSIAL ISSUE, PERIOD.
IT’S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
NOW THAT WE KNOW THERE’S GOING
TO BE A LOT OF MONEY THROWN
AROUND IN THAT ELECTION AND IT
WILL BE THROWN BY BOTH SIDES,
THE POTAWATOMI AS WELL AS THE
MENOMONEE, WHO HAVE VERY
DIFFERENT IDEAS ABOUT WHAT
SHOULD HAPPEN IN KENOSHA, BUT
THE POLITICIANS GOING THROUGH
THE ELECTION YEAR, THEY’RE GOING
TO GRAB FOR EVERYTHING THEY CAN
GET FROM ALL SIDES, BUT THERE
ARE GOING TO BE NO DECISIONS.
THIS IS SO MANY YEARS DOWN THE
ROAD, THAT WHO KNOWS IF HARD
ROCK WILL BE A SUCCESSFUL
CORPORATION BY THE TIME THAT
HAPPENS.
WE REALLY DON’T KNOW, BUT■ç
THERE’S GOING TO BE A LOT OF
MONEY FLYING AROUND THIS STATE.
>>AND I WAS FASCINATED, I
DIDN’T KNOW THAT HARD ROCK WAS
OWNED BY AN INDIAN TRIBE.
>>RIGHT.
THAT’S — YEAH, THAT’S — VERY
INTERESTING.
IMAGINE THAT.
I THINK JOEL IS RIGHT.
I THINK THE BIG STUMBLING BLOCK
THAT THE GOVERNOR HAS TALKED
ABOUT IS THAT ALL OF THE TRIBES
HAVE GOT TO AGREE.
ALL OF THE NATIONS HAVE GOT TO
AGREE.
AND I THINK WE CAN SAY WITH
CERTAINTY, THAT THE POTAWATOMI
ARE NOT JUST GOING TO LOOK AT
THE FLASHY NEW PLANS FOR WHAT
DOES LOOK LIKE WOULD BE A REALLY
FUN PLACE TO GO, IN KENOSHA AND
SAY, OH, WAIT, WE CHANGED OUR
MINDS, THIS IS A GOOD THING.
I THINK IT’S GOING TO TAKE A
YEAR, BUT I THINK IT’S GOING TO
TAKE MORE THAN A YEAR.
I THINK THE POTAWATOMI ARE GOING
TO WANT TO BE IF A POSITION THAT
IF THEY’RE WORRIED ABOUT LOSING
REFER KNEW, IF THIS CASINO —
REVENUE,■ç IF THIS CASINO OPENS,
HOW ARE THEY GOING TO BE ABLE TO
RECOVER SOME OF THAT REVENUE AND
ONE OF THE WAYS THAT IT COULD BE
RECOVERED FOR THEM, IS TO
RESTRUCTURE THEIR PAYMENTS TO
THE STATE.
SO I MEAN, I THINK THAT NOTHING
IS GOING TO HAPPEN SOON.
THE POTAWATOMI HAVE TO AGREE.
I DON’T SEE ANY WAY THE
POTAWATOMI AGREE TO WHAT
POTENTIALLY IS A LOSS OF
MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS
TO THEM IF THEY DON’T FIND SOME
WAY TO RECOUP IT AND I THINK THE
ONLY WAY YOU CAN FIND TO RECOUP
IT IS WITHIN THAT STRUCTURED
PAYMENT.
>>DO YOU THINK WE’LL EVER SEE
THIS CASINO?
>>I HOPE NOT.
I’M NOT A FAN OF IT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT’S CROPPED
UP IN THIS WHOLE DEBATE, IT WAS
A REMINDER THAT THE TRIBE HAD A
STAKE IN HARD ROCK AND WANTS TO
OPEN THE CASINO UP IN KENOSHA,
BECAUSE OF —
>>THAT’S NOT EVEN A WISCONSIN
TRIBE.
>>RIGHT.
EXACTLY.■ç
BUT THE — WHAT’S HAPPENED IS
THAT THE POTAWATOMI HAVE BEEN
RUNNING ADS THAT LITERALLY HAVE
TRASHED THE REPUTATIONS OF
PEOPLE WHO WERE INVOLVED IN PAST
EFFORTS TO OPEN UP CASINO IN
KENOSHA, SO THE RESPONSE FROM
THE KENOSHA SPONSORS IS TO TRY
TO LEAVE PEOPLE WITH THE
IMPRESSION THAT NO NO NO NO,
WE’RE NOT THIS BAND OF CROOKS
THAT MAY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN
PAST EFFORTS.
WE’RE A FORTUNE 500 COMPANY
THAT’S INVOLVED, AND CERTAINLY,
WE’VE GOT A MUCH CLEANER
REPUTATION, A LOT MORE SCRUTINY,
A LOT MORE ACCOUNTABILITY.
THAT’S WHAT I THINK IS REALLY
BEHIND THIS EFFORT NOW TO TRY TO
PUT IT OUT THERE, THAT HARD ROCK
IS INVOLVED IN THIS.
BUT THAT’S NOT A NEW THING FOR
THE INSIDERS WHO HAVE BEEN
FOLLOWING THIS■ç UNFOLDING STORY
ABOUT WHO’S GOING TO MANAGE,
WHO’S GOING TO REAP THE
BENEFITS, WHAT KIND OF DEAL IS
GOING TO BE STRUCK.
DENISE, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT
SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE, AFTER
THE ELECTIONS AS JOEL HAS
POINTED OUT, WHAT’S GOING TO
HAPPEN IS CONVERSATIONS WILL
TAKE PLACE, AS TO WHAT CAN BE
DONE IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE
EVERYBODY.
AND IF IT MEANS RESTRUCTURING,
NOT JUST WITH THE POTAWATOMI,
BUT THE OTHER TRIBES CAN MAKE A
CLAIM TOO, PEOPLE FROM THE —
THE CASINO IN THE DELLS, THEY
CAN SAY, WE’VE LOST MONEY FROM
CHICAGO MARKET BECAUSE THE DELLS
IS A BIG NORTHERN ILLINOIS
DESTINATION.
THEY CAN SAY WE’VE LOST MONEY
AND THE REST OF THEM WILL
CERTAINLY WANT TO JUDGMENT ON
THAT BAND WAGON TO RENEGOTIATE
AS WELL, IF THERE’S GOING TO BE
AN OK OF A KENOSHA CASINO.
>>WELL, WE MOVE ON.
>>WELL, THIS WEEK SAW THE
CONTINUING ROLLOUT OF THE
AFFORDABLE CARE ACT AND
TRYING TO SIGN UP.
WHEN IT COMES TO OBAMACARE, IT’S
LIKE, WITH SO MANY THINGS, SOME
PEOPLE SEE THE GLASS AS HALF
FULL, SOME SEE THE GLASS AS HALF
EMPTY.
AND SOME JUST WANT TO SMASH THE
GLASS TO SMITHEREENS.
HERE TO EXPLORE THAT WHOLE RANGE
OF EMOTIONS IS RICK HOROWITZ.
RICK?
>>SO THERE I WAS, A MONTH AGO,
SETTING UP MY VERY OWN ACCOUNT
ON HEALTHCARE.GOV.
I WANTED TO BE READY SO I COULD
HIT THE GROUND RUNNING, OR AT
LEAST SHOPPING, AS SOON AS THE
AFFORDABLE CARE ACT WAS
OFFICIALLY OPEN FOR BUSINESS.
SELF-EMPLOYED?
A CHANCE TO IMPROVE MY COVERAGE
AND MAYBE EVEN LOWER MY COST?
I WAS HAPPY.
THEN I TRIED TO DO IT AND I
COULDN’T GET ON THE WEB SITE
RIGHT AWAY.
I WAS SAD.
THEN I HEARD THAT HEALTHCARE.GOV
HAD BEEN OVERWHELMED BY THE
DEMAND AND I WAS HAPPY/SAD.
HAPPY THAT SO MANY PEOPLE HAD
GOTTEN THE WORD ABOUT OBAMACARE
BECOMING AVAILABLE.
SAD THAT SO MANY PEOPLE WERE SO
DESPERATE FOR HEALTH INSURANCE
THAT THEY OVERWHELMED THE SITE
THE MINUTE IT OPENED.
HAPPY THAT THE INDIVIDUAL STATEç
WEBSITES, IN THE STATES THAT
WERE ACTUALLY TRYING TO MAKE
OBAMACARE WORK, WEREN’T HAVING
ALL THESE PROBLEMS.
SAD THAT I DIDN’T LIVE IN ONE OF
THOSE STATES.
THEN I TRIED AGAIN, LATER THAT
DAY, AND I GOT PARTWAY ONTO THE
SITE.
I WAS PARTLY HAPPY.
EXCEPT THAT I COULDN’T GIVE THEM
THE RIGHT ANSWER TO ONE OF MY
OWN SECURITY QUESTIONS.
I WAS PARTLY SAD.
I TRIED EVERY ANSWER I COULD
THINK OF AND IN EVERY POSSIBLE
COMBINATION.
IN CAPITAL LETTERS, IN SMALL
LETTERS, WITH DASHES, WITH
SLASHES.
AND I STILL COULDN’T GET ON.
I WAS SAD.
EVEN FRUSTRATED.
BUT I FINALLY GOT THROUGH TO THE
HELP LINE AND AN ACTUAL HUMAN
BEING TOLD ME THAT THE PROBLEM I
WAS HAVING PROBABLY WASN’T MY
FAULT.
I WAS HAPPY.
SHE SAID THAT THERE WERE STILL
GLITCHES IN THE SYSTEM.
I WAS SAD.
THEN I REMEMBERED THAT I STILL
HAVE MORE THAN TWO MONTHS TO
REGISTER BEFORE THE COVERAGE
KICKS IN AND THAT THERE’S STILL
PLENTY OF TIME FOR THEM TO WORK
OUT ALL THE GLITCHES.
I WAS HAPPY.
BUT THEN I REMEMBERED THE PEOPLE
WHO HAVE BEEN SO HAPPY ABOUT ALL
THE GLITCHES.■ç
I WAS SAD.
I REMEMBERED THESE PEOPLE
INSISTING THAT THE GLITCHES
PROVE THAT LETTING UNINSURED
FOLKS BUY COVERAGE THROUGH
OBAMACARE IS A TERRIBLE IDEA.
I WAS VERY SAD.
AND I THOUGHT ABOUT THE KIND OF
PEOPLE WHO DON’T SEEM TO MIND IF
MILLIONS OF THEIR FELLOW
AMERICANS HAVE TO WORRY
CONSTANTLY ABOUT BEING JUST ONE
INFECTION, OR ONE CARELESS
DRIVER, OR ONE CRACK IN A
SKATEBOARD SIDEWALK AWAY FROM
FINANCIAL CATASTROPHE.
AND I SAID TO MYSELF, PEOPLE WHO
THINK LIKE THAT, THEY ARE REALLY
SAD.
>>THANKS, RICK.
AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
WATCHING.
ENJOY THE REST OF YOUR WEEKEND.

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