Magicians Talking Magic Podcast | Magic News, Dangerous Magic Tricks & Magicians Logos

Magicians Talking Magic Podcast | Magic News, Dangerous Magic Tricks & Magicians Logos


Graeme Reed: And he’s got the
sheet and he goes, it’s going to
happen anytime now. And he pulls
the sheet, nothing happens. It
gets out in the street and go.
And then like jungle music plays
and roars. And he’s like, ah.
And he pulls the sheet off and
now all his suit is ripped up
and he’s got a tiger tail in his
mouth. Oh my God, I’ve never
seen. And He goes, ladies and
gentlemen and mandating tiger,
you’ve never seen that. Never
seen this. That’s like his, like
one of his signature bits. And
before he did that, he had
produced himself in drag. Oh, I
never seen this course. The one
I remember is the floating girl
up to the ceiling and the smash
as she falls down. That was
epic. Fielding West is amazing.
He’s so creative. He’s so
creative. And I do put this as a
fair categorization. I feel like
Nathan Burton, I would also put
it in that same kind of just
really creative out of the box
kind of thinkers, live action
cartoons almost. It’s like,
yeah. So that’s the gesture and
Amazing Johnathan and even a
little bit David Williamson.
Yes. Oh yeah. That’s larger than
life. Like real life cartoon
people. Right. Larger than life.
That’s the best way to put it.
Yeah. Well, what do you think of
the word to Duh tonight? Yeah, I
like tonight I like to diesel.
Ryan Joyce: That’s trending
right now on the magic Twitter
trending. It should be, if it’s
not too dussel that double low
or is it a, it’s totally a
devil. Oh, of course it is.
Graeme Reed: Yeah. T double low
d zed o right to d l. That’s how
I spell it Tazoodle.
Ryan Joyce: I was flipping
through while you couldn’t miss
the news. Uh, I was flipping
through vanish magazine, but I
also saw like in my news feed,
it was everywhere. The Indian
magician that was killed doing
his stunt. What do you think?
Graeme Reed: Um, unfortunate.
Super unfortunate, but they’re
seeing, I don’t know. Um, do you
find there is a new, uh, like an
influx of magicians doing
dangerous stuff?
Ryan Joyce: Yeah. Attention
getting it is they, I think it’s
an inappropriate exchange and
they think it’s attention equals
danger equals stardom. But in
reality it’s just stupid.
Graeme Reed: All unfair. Super
unfortunate incident. Yeah, of
course. It’s very tragic and
super unfortunate, really
unfortunate. But I find like,
and I know I went through this
myself in the past few years and
it’s, and I know that you see a
lot of these tricks advertised
too and you’ll see them on
America’s got talent, but the
dangerous stunts and these
dangerous tricks and there is a
lot of them that are you can do
then completely safe or maybe
safe with 10 10
Ryan Joyce: right. Well you get
attention. It’s a, it is a
demanding when you see somebody
said themselves on fire or
whatever, for sure. I mean it’s
hard not to look away and that’s
why they do it. I get, I totally
get it, but I, for me the
attention has never been worth
that much risk. Not only for me
but like my family and everybody
else said they had demand for
attention has never been that
high.
Graeme Reed: Now for me, like
growing up, watching a lot of
like night, late nineties
specials. I remember they were a
lot of those extreme dangerous,
the Dean Gunnerson oh my gosh.
Didn’t he hang over the Hoover
dam without like, I get
nightmares. Just different
recreating that thought am I
couldn’t watch that special
because of those things that and
like and, and crocodiles and
anything that’s electric in
nature plus, right? Yeah. He’s
intense. And there was another
guy that like did a full steel
cage out of like a
Ryan Joyce: Richard Richard Gal
are Richard Gallop. Yes. Yes,
yes. Yeah. That’s the one. Yeah,
he was great. I enjoyed it
because special, it was really
cutting edge, those neon light
bulb thing that he’s doing. I
love that piece. That was great.
And He um, yeah, he did several
pieces of magic that I really
loved, but there was that one. I
figure if I rewound the tape
more than any, it would be that
one illusion that was with the
light tubes and it had nothing
to do with the danger. I just
really loved that. And it was a
combination. The music was
great. He had great music
choices through those neon tubes
and she van, it was just a great
moment that he owns it. Right.
And the lighting of the smoke,
he really sold that look, that
was nineties magic to it, to a t
Graeme Reed: 100%. Nineties
magic, late nineties, early two
thousands of magic. Yup. Most
extreme magic. Most dangerous
magic. Right? It’s extreme.
Yeah. Yeah. And you’d even have
like amazing Jonathan and things
like that on there too. Right?
So I’ve asked for the gesture
and I think, um, the man eating
tiger with the cloth, um Oh, oh
boy. You know, he like does the
sheet with his own bed sheets
that are branded with his own
name on it. And then he produces
a man eating tiger and it’s
himself with his clothes all
wrapped up and he’s got the
tiger tail on his mouth.
Ryan Joyce: I feel like this is
a Dirk Arthur thing. I, but this
is not
Graeme Reed: Garth or no, no,
no, no, no, no, no. Comic
Magician. And he had originally
produced himself in drag. I just
can’t think of his name right
now.
Ryan Joyce: So would you do
anything dangerous? Did you have
any fantasies of doing anything?
Graeme Reed: I used to do
dangerous things in my show. I
would do smash and stab and I
had broken glass in my show and
have since pulled all the
dangerous things out, uh, from
doing comedy shows. Uh, I
noticed some of the audience
would leave during the shows and
then I, I asked them after like
why they left and even some of
the comics will leave because
they didn’t want to see that
they liked the magic. They
wanted to experience where they
didn’t want to see the dangerous
pits. Right. So why would you do
something where someone would
leave? I don’t know. Like I get
that like at first I thought it
was edgy and conversational and
like, oh, this will make, you
know, but then isn’t that
exciting if people, I didn’t
want to make people leave.
That’s not part of what I want
to do with my own brand and
things like that. So I, I worked
for some people. Sure. Yeah.
Yeah. Let me just, so people can
really motivate that. I’m not
one of those people, so I avoid
it at all costs through. Yeah.
Yeah. I look 10 years younger
than I am, so,
Ryan Joyce: right. You didn’t
have like tactics and it can’t
grow a beard. So it’s, you could
moto sage there. They’re like,
what is this birthday guy going
to do for me? Yeah. What is kid
wizard doing? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It’s not anything I’m, I mean as
a kid of course it was fun to,
to watch it in like sort of to
think about it cause that w that
was my early on sort of
daydreaming days was all the big
grander stuff. Right? Like that
nowadays you don’t even know.
It’s not even in the world of
imagination is so, so outdated.
But it sure gets you thinking in
the unique ways when you have to
manipulate like different, the
size things other than, I mean
it’s just a fascinating as
someone who enjoys creative
problem solving in any regard, I
thought illusions are a really
fun way to sort of solve unique
problems and that’s gone. That’s
gone completely. And that’s
fine. God, the luggage man, the
luggage on that with lug that
around for.
Graeme Reed: So I think like
I’ve seen some more, I’ve seen a
lot more water torture things
and even like ax throwing
things. And stuff like that from
America’s got down. So I think
there is way more dangerous
stunts going on. Do you think
there’s any more influx going on
for illusions right now?
Ryan Joyce: I don’t see it now.
I don’t see it now. I, um, I
really don’t. I don’t, I don’t
think, I don’t know if it has a
place anymore. I mean, there’s a
place for it in big shows.
There’s definitely a, an element
for touring shows. But is it
ever going to be like, you know,
stay tuned for the next grand
illusion show on the no, that
was in the, I don’t think so.
It’s not this era of
storytelling. Magic is
simplified dramatically. We’re,
I mean, look at the Netflix
special that we both have
watched. It didn’t binge as each
one, you know, simplifying
everything. Of course Marie
Quando guys, what I’m
referencing, you know. So I
think magic has also simplified
it. We’ve also, I would argue
that we’ve progressed
dramatically over the last
handful of years, of course,
because of videos specifically.
That’s the one tool is it’s
pushed us so much further. And
what audiences want to see is
smaller, intimate reactions.
Graeme Reed: Yeah. I think from
doing magic, like I do a lot of
restaurant magic up, close
strolling, things like that. Uh,
I find I get through actions
from people that they’re really
excited to see like a, you know,
a color change or, you know,
just a simple, basic magic term
up close because they feel like,
you know, they’re being deceived
with TV or something is on
stage. Possibly they’re being
deceived. Like there’s the
atrics to it. Maybe that guy, I
don’t know that guy. But here if
you’re just, you know, you and
their family and like, I didn’t
take the kids out back and give
them a couple nickels and
prearrange some stuff.
Ryan Joyce: Right. Yeah. Did you
notice a change when like when
Shin Lim one for example, where
you working in restaurants
before and after?
Graeme Reed: I was working in
restaurants, jury like way
before and during, and I noticed
a huge change. I remember when I
first started in restaurants,
people would, I’d be like, Oh,
you gotta be in Vegas Someday.
You’re going to be in Vegas, and
then it switched to, Oh, you can
be on America’s got talent or
sometimes fool us, so you’re
gonna be on foolish. And then
now everyone knows Shin limbs
name, which is pretty incredible
because most people only knew
like Copperfield, David Blaine
or criss. Right. And sometimes
they’d be guessing at like what
those names were. Right. Um, but
now you have Shin Limb. Like
people know who Shin Lim is.
That’s really good for magic and
it’s close up magic that he does
too. So as a restaurant
performer, like strolling
magician, that’s really positive
when you can do, um, you know,
kind of flashy,
Ryan Joyce: definitely. He got
really makes it, he’s elder
showmanship to the tee, like he
for surely wants to play up all
the theatrical moments of it.
And that’s what makes it so
unique and so special. And so he
kind of blended two worlds, the
closeup magic and like the
theatrical as a Hans clog fan
balloon. Yay. He’s the hands.
Yeah. Who is kind of a show
coming to Vegas? I saw that news
somewhere. I think it was on
iTricks. Yeah. Yeah, he’s a,
he’s got a show coming too, I
think you, Oh God, I will, I
can’t remember. But one of those
fancy thing, cons, collect show
takes probably, oh yeah. Well
there’s just one whole truck for
fans. I just want to, what I’ve
heard Dan trap, here’s one
illusion was probably the most
piece of magic that I watched
over and over and over again.
The fight, the cage, the fire
spiker one. But yeah, with a
Graeme Reed: conceited. I think
if you look at, um, if you look
at illusionists, right? And like
you’re supposed to tell a story
in maybe those three to four
minutes that you’ve performed
maybe like, you know, six
minutes and he performed the
illusion, right? He’s a really
good storyteller
Ryan Joyce: and he does it fast.
And that’s the biggest takeaway
from what? Like if you look at
the progress, the magic is
taken. It’s like removed all the
fat and that’s what he did like
or immediately. That’s why
illusions, he made illusion so
great cause all that Pazazz in
Razzle Dazzle, in distraction.
He just kinda move on. Let’s get
to the good stuff and go. He’s
alive.
Graeme Reed: Romance novel.
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.
And any moment you could freeze
frame it, it would be the cover
of a book. It’s constantly
producing women and putting them
into torture and producing maybe
two women. And what do you do
with two women? You get three
women and seen. Yeah.
Ryan Joyce: Amazing. Yeah. I
shaped my childhood watching
Hahn’s clock for sure. I want it
to be on his clock.
Graeme Reed: Hans clock and see
fantasy. Yeah. I sign other
news. America’s got talents
really high right now, right? Oh
yes. America’s got talent
season. It sure is. And Medians
in there too. Canadians and
friends of the show. Absolutely
show. But Lisa, Nick Wallace was
on America’s got talent. Mister
was really so great. Yeah. Yeah.
The clip was really solid. Two
really good reactions from all
the judges and everything like
that. It looks like he should do
really well in the show,
hopefully, you know?
Ryan Joyce: Yeah, I hope so
guys, she’s, he’s got something
unique about him and it’s really
creepy and fun. It’s so, it’s so
unique, like Taco with somebody
that has really owned his
personality and his character
and he fooled Penn and teller
too with the cookies on the
streak. Yeah.
Graeme Reed: I got to eat
cookies with them at the
staircase and Hamilton when he
doing a show actually. Oh,
that’s fun. Yeah. The first time
I kind of met him, uh, I caught
his monkey. Oh, oh yeah. And
then I got to eat cookies with
them and go on like a, an
adventure, which was really fun.
Uh, he gave me an option to
share if you’ve never seen a
show, like he has an, the final
outcome of the show is this kind
of mystery, this mysterious box
that he’s been talking about.
And at the end of the show, you
get a choice about it if you’re
involved. And I got the choice
and I feel like I gave the
audience the most mysterious
choice to give their characters.
So you had a viewer, a good
volunteer? I think I was a good
volunteer. Either helps. Yeah. I
hope
Ryan Joyce: most magicians are
good volunteers. Right. I saw
his show early, early, early on,
and I don’t know where in the
evolution of his show he was,
but he was really great. Then
this was at I believe, fringe
festival and Hamilton. And even
like back then it was just, you
could tell he was gonna he was
gonna be something special. So
yeah, I’m so happy for his,
yeah, his success. I’m curious
to see how he does. And Michael
Paul is on a gt as well. Michael
Paul who? Michael Paul down to
Fergus. Yes. Last year I met
Michael Paul on ships randomly.
We were both waiting to get into
a venue and that sparked a
friendship that’s literally like
one of our closest friends. And
so we you’re referencing as you
know, as we brought up Michael
Paul for I filming here too, we
started this series called
wonder town and we’re going to
have digital downloads and
everything. It’s going to be
quite great. And so he’s
actually, you can see his
trailer now. We’ll put that in
the show notes. He’s, um, he’s a
ventriloquist and a comedian,
but he’s both of those things he
excels at, like he can go out
and be just this, this, you
know, guy who can rag on
everybody in the audience and
then go up on stage immediately
and, and do a perfect
ventriloquist bit. You know, in
technique and in comedic
fashion. It just owns the room.
Like once my, once I
know that Michael Paul’s on the
ship, I know how high I have to
work hard. I work that’s so, I
just adore him and he’s
brilliant and he’s so creative
and when you see his resume, you
know what he’s done, it’s really
quite great. So we brought him
here to do that filming, as you
know. And so that wonder town
special is going to be out, but
I hope he does. I hope he goes
far and IGT. That’s really,
really exciting stuff. We’ll put
his, his video and the links as
well. Put both of them in.
Graeme Reed: Yeah. And then also
both acts coming up like in the
fall. Right. Exciting news too.
They’re in the fall, right?
Ryan Joyce: Yeah, the big, yeah.
Well, the big news is, and it’s
still kind of secret, like we
haven’t publicly among
magicians, of course it’s known,
but, uh, the oil magic festival,
the Ontario Week of wander, and
it’s going to be, I mean, my
God, I see it. It was started
with the idea of how to be a
handful of people here, but now,
you know, you’ve been here the
whole, the whole journey. It’s
like an incredible lineup of
people. I can’t even believe
that said yes to it. I mean,
wow. So it’s October 24th to the
31st is a week long festival.
Really? It’s, um, the 25th,
26th. I was at like a
convention, you know, that’s
happening. So, uh, we’ve got
events scheduled for magicians
that are just, you know,
lectures and workshops and, and,
and also there’s time in there
to see this community because
it’s, it’s quite remarkable. We
have a whole month long festival
like Halloween. It’s called
monster month as a world
acclaimed artists that has these
huge skull. It’s just
incredible. And then the
highlight of course is the gala
shows, which we’ll feature. Um,
and I have of Canadian
entertainers and magic and
canvas star-studded
international night is going to
be, it’s just, it’s great. So
the names we’ve got, Carissa
Hendrix is coming and she is the
Allan Slaight Rising Star,
Canadian Rising Star Award
Winner. How cool is that? And so
she’s coming, I mean, I’m so
thrilled. Yeah. We’ve got Jay
Sankey who of course is
legendary,
Graeme Reed: Yeah, yeah.
Canadian southern Ontario
legend, right? Yeah, yeah.
Ryan Joyce: A Michael close who
of course was legendary. We all,
we, we found filmed masterclass
with Michael close, so we’ve
worked to get a chance to work
pretty, pretty extensively.
He’s, he’s a, he’s a
knowledgeable man. So we’ve got
Michael close and of course
there’s Paul Rome. Hani is going
to be in the line of, and he, I
can’t wait to meet Paul. I’m so
looking forward because, uh, he,
I mean, he’s so multitalented
right? He does so many different
things. So I’m listening, I’m
looking forward to listening to
his, his, his talk and, and
hearing what he has
Graeme Reed: and he felt like
this crazy chaplain act, right?
Ryan Joyce: Yeah. I mean, that’s
the thing about it. He’s one of
those guys, I feel like whatever
he does, he succeeds at. So like
what, what the person to learn
from. Uh, and so I couldn’t
believe he was available and he
works a lot. Right.
Graeme Reed: And Anita
opportunity to see him maybe
like a classic Vaudeville Style
Act. Yeah, right here. Right?
Like you never, you don’t really
get that.
Ryan Joyce: It’s going to be,
it’s just going to be great
because no matter what he does,
I mean he even has magic. Have
you just chatting with him, you
know, that he’s got so much
knowledge on the topic and of
course he runs vantage. So he’s
just like, he’s just totally
connected to every element of
the magic world. Like his
knowledge, he’s just oozing of
knowledge. So, and Rick Merrill
is coming and I just, I have, I
love sleep. Like I’m a big fan
of what Rick does. And of course
he is a FISM award winner. So
you just know that when he walks
out stage, what he’s going to do
is going to knock you flat. So
incredible effect. These
available is great. And Steven
for Gassy. I mean,
Graeme Reed: right home run.
Ryan Joyce: Yeah, my gas. It’s
going to be so incredible. And
did you see a sun’s special? I
totally. Great. Yeah. Eddie
reference referenced the whole
magic scene in there. That was
great. Yeah,
Graeme Reed: it’s so fun. I was
actually lucky to be at Majia
festival one year when they
brought him in as a surprise,
which was hysterical. And there
was a great moment with Stephen
on stage that after a special
was came up, this was, no, this
was, but for this it would have
been a couple of years ago. So
this is amazing. So it’s almost
like he didn’t reference that
convention there, but I feel
like he’s done a couple of
conventions with his dad now,
Nate and I like, oh, so funny.
So good. That’s great. Yeah. I I
I think, I think he’s on magic
fest again this year too.
Ryan Joyce: Really? Yeah, I
think so. Oh, he’s so, he’s so
funny. Like A, if any of us
could just have one, 1000th of
his comedic abilities, we would
be, you can just tell he’s,
he’s, when he’s on stage, he
owns the room totally. And it’s,
it’s something that obviously he
is, you can just duplicate over
and over and over again. I mean
he’s just as, he’s just a wizard
when it comes to the
showmanship. What a guy. I hope
we didn’t miss anybody. Um,
because I mean you can see how
each one of those people just on
their own is incredible. Yeah. I
think I cashed, I hope. I think
that’s it. But so that’s the Oh
wow. Magic fest. And then
there’s going to be a bunch of
local acts as well too. Local
magicians and things like that,
featuring all kinds of people
and all kinds of popups.
Graeme Reed: that’s right. We’ve
got Peter who’s of course stage
managing and running everything
production wise, he’s going to
be doing a split bill with Owen
Anderson, who’s just a longtime
friend is actually the very, one
of the very first shows I saw as
a kid, like a Christmas show
that my parents took me to or
when Anderson was, was the
performer. So technically he’s
one of the very, very, very
first, first magicians I’ve ever
seen. The other one was at a
birthday party and I hated, I
think it was all clowns and face
painting and I did not have a
great experience. Oh, you,
Ryan Joyce: uh, like first magic
experiences. Oh, like I’ve been
trying to think about this. I
don’t know what it was. I feel
like my first magic experience
was just watching it on TV. I
remember my grandparents always
calling me to be like, hey, did
you know the magic specialist
can be on TV? She said to VCR,
save all these tapes. And I
still have them to, uh, like
just all the magic specials. And
I remember specifically worlds
Grey’s magic t was like the
first one. Oh, there’s your
opening on that. That was the
one with Alan Thicke is the
host. Arthur comes out, produces
a white tiger. Right, right. Um,
yeah, he, they showed all the
way around, then they instant
replay and you can see the box.
All the layer replays. Yeah. And
that one had Jeff McBride doing
the masks. Oh yeah. Oh, that one
Jib shot where? Yeah, and he’s
bands from the stage and
everything. Um, is that the one
that closes at Penn and teller j
and the bullet catch, I think to
you, they all blur together.
Yeah, I know some of them, but I
feel like that was the last
trick on that one too. It was
Penn tillage and bullet catch
another dangerous, see, there
you go. Church. It shows you why
people do some of these
dangerous pieces though because,
but there, but Penn and teller,
if you’ll listen carefully,
they, right, right. You know,
they say it’s stupid.
They say it’s stupid. They also
never like, they make reference
to everything. So it’s not like
they’re saying they’re gonna do
a bullet catch kind of thing.
And Yeah, they’re very smart and
clever. About what they do. This
also had Paul Gruner doing the
steel custom balls. Oh yeah. I
think it had Williamson with
rocky raccoon. Yes. Oh, of
nascent. Jonathan was on there,
I’m pretty sure during like the
tape $20 bill. You know, I loved
when Williamson was on the
streets. We had, I can’t you
wish I first said it, it was,
which is on the streets with
rocky raccoon. I thought that
was the best, that it wasn’t
world’s greatest magic
champions. yeah, yeah, yeah. I
always thought, cause he, I mean
you give him, they’re like fuel
for him. We’re all people and I,
and he’s just so, so
spontaneous. It’s so
outrageously awesome. Yeah. He
among a couple were like at the
top for me as a kid, totally
wanted to be. I could. And then
I realized as a performer I
could never be that. You know
what I mean? Like as I came in,
Matt, King of Yes king between
all the worlds creates magic
teaching tricks. Yep. And you’re
like, oh, I can do have these
tracks. This is all, but you
can’t be mad king and Jeff
McBride with with I loved carbon
emulation. Oh, I loved it so
much. And of course David
Copperfield for the showmanship,
you know,
and Lance Burton was in the same
category for the showmanship.
Lansburgh does some really cool
stuff. I even remember like a,
the Greg Freeland vert act on
Kripke course, that moment that
shot, he’s backstage ready to go
on. That was like, I met the
circus act like with the
twister. So I was thinking of
his bird act. Oh yeah. Then this
shot, you can see his, oh, I
loved that. It really gave kind
of a peak behind. I remember
Jason Byrne to Jason Baron was
on world’s greatest Magic to Oh
yes. With the Plato. Oh yeah.
That’s so great. That moment is
solid. I met Jason and airport
and Saint Martin. I know
Barbados actually. I remember
this did have a lot of dangerous
stuff because I remember the
Lance Burton specials, there was
always a big, he did like a
roller coaster escape thing. Oh,
right, right. Like, I remember
as a kid too, he fought off like
you need to distort fight on
stage with Dakota churn really.
And the candles and everything
was great. Super Fun. The fun
switch. But everything was
always a little bit dangerous I
think. Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah. Edgy was, was definitely
in, I guess that’s kind of
Disney edgy though wetlands
parent was doing right. I was
also on Reddit. Okay. So some of
the discussions on Reddit that
were really topical right now,
I’d be curious, your input, um,
is switch souvenirs. What are
some of the tricks that you’re
working on
or that you like that involves
giving souvenirs to an audience
member?
Graeme Reed: So I am a big fan
of souvenir magic cause I do a
lot of strolling magic
restaurant magic. So something,
my set always has to finish with
the souvenirs. Someone has to
always take something with them
because I think they need to
have something so they can
remember the magic or keep a
little thing and they’re going
to talk about it. So like
obvious go to would be just like
ambitious card. Signed card is a
good one. Um, I, my favorite
thing right now is face off.
It’s an illusionist and you get,
uh, two people to sign cards,
like an anniversary waltz
almost, you know, so you get to
sign cards and then you rip them
in half and they squeezed them
in their hands and then, uh,
when they open up their hands,
you realize you kind of made a
mistake and like they have half
of each other’s cards, you know,
that’s great. And then the cards
are still stuck together and
there’s like no tape or glue
Ryan Joyce: the reactions. It
must be solid when it’s one of
the craziest things ever. Yeah,
yeah. That
Graeme Reed: or a new thing I’m
starting to do now as a, having
someone bend a coin in their
hand. Oh yeah. Um, so I use the
version, this version, it’s like
called expert, like expert, uh,
from Penguin. Um, and yeah, you
have a, I usually do with a kid
and I ask them what the fear is.
Superhero is put a bunch of
change in their hands. You mark
a coin with an x on it and you
described to them my way, she
got the change in your hand and
squeeze it down. When you shake
up the change in, squeeze it
down again. And I want you to
imagine that you can jam that
change in that coin with the x
on it causing you to like bend
and then you have him shake it
up one more time, squeezed down
and then when they dumped the
change on the day, there’s one
coin bent and I feel like a kid
and even the parents and
everyone around this drama
moment. Yeah, no one understands
how that works. Cause even like
I’ll watch the dad leave or
someone like to try to bend a
coin back with your bare hands
or we can’t do that. So
Ryan Joyce: yeah that’s pretty
impossible stuff and you
guaranteed they will keep that
for sure. Forever. Forever for
sure.
Graeme Reed: And then also a
well-designed business card is a
great handout too. So I always
make sure that they get my
business card and people like
the design of mine usually cause
I’m a graphic designer so it
looks sharp and flashy all the
time. Um, so I think that’s a
key too. So it’s almost like
kids want to have it cause it
looks fun. You want to keep it
and that. So that’s positive for
your thing. Looks Awesome.
Right? Yeah.
Ryan Joyce: I want to talk about
logos. Let’s talk about
magicians logos. The challenge
of the magician logo, the
biggest challenges I see it is
how would you come across as
modern and magical but not be
cheesy. Right. That seems to be
the biggest challenge just in
general for magicians. How do
you go about that? Immediately?
My first, my first thought is
you don’t put a magic wand or a
top hat in it, right? I mean
that’s the simplest, but two
magicians in the, the logo.
Graeme Reed: I think, uh, it
depends on what level you are as
a magician or how you’re
branding yourself. I guess for
me, I don’t have a set logo. I
just use various different fonts
and I’ll represent my, you know,
my name, which is Graeme Reed,
Aka Grameen using in different
ways, but it usually represents
me still. Right. And I use that
with a different font faces.
Right. And I’ll just choose the
right font, that fits kind of
thing I say. So I, I would
relate that to like how MTV,
they have the same logo but they
changed the color and the
texture and the placement of it
all the time. But it still has
the same logo face. So I’m not
saying I’m MTV, I’m just saying
it’s that similar kind of idea.
Ryan Joyce: Yeah, diversity, I
mean, yeah. Yeah. Logo.
Technically the logo should be
like just a black and white kind
of simple vector. And this is
basically you’re, you’re giving
yourself a whole bunch of
freedom because your identity is
Grameen hazing, right. You don’t
have to work maybe as hard as
someone that might be like Matt
Smith. Right, right. So you
don’t have to, yeah. Your
character, you can ooze it up as
much as you want. But if someone
has a very common name like I,
my name is pretty common. Like I
mean it’s not necessarily, it’s,
it’s two first names. It’s two
first names so it’s easy to be,
to be overly simplified. So I
need to mind to stand out
slightly and thankfully I have a
short name. Did you ever have
to, your name is pretty easy to
use as well, but your, he is a
kind of a combination pro. Did
you ever think about changing
your name ever for this show?
Graeme Reed: So like originally
when I spelled grew amazing
cause I spell it g r a e m a Z.
I n g because my first name gram
is spelled a e m e. Right. Which
is kind of confusing for a lot
of people but then I kept it
confusing and originally when
spell I dropped the one e and it
was just like a amaze that I n g
a but then I kept the weirdness
of the e in there. So it was
still my name mixed with the
Graemazing. And then I thought
about should I just switch back
to my original name? Like Graeme
Reed cause that’s fine.
Especially cause I’m kinda like
closeup magician, mind reader.
So Graeme Reed that kind of
works. Right. Um, but I stuck
with and cause I think it’s
still in my mind, my brand, the
way I present myself as like
magic kind of silly. We all get
it silly. Uh, so my name’s
Mason, right? Yeah. And it still
has my first name in it. So
people kind of get, and I think,
um, lately Graeme is now popular
name with kids I’ve found. So
uh, people now recognize Graeme,
which is really cool, which is a
first mainly in the demographic
that I’m trying to hit, which is
like the younger moms, well
Ryan Joyce: you’re really
sticking to the cause I know
like all of us, we, when we
stick to a certain brand it
requires some commitment and
you’ve kind of gone back and
forth just like I go back and
forth and designs and things.
But one of the things about that
nice by the way you’re doing is
it really exemplifies how to
spell it. At least it puts a lot
of focus on that because your
website is, it wouldn’t be when
people search you, you want it
to be kind of you. The first one
they pop up when they find you.
And so making that choice is at
least, you know, easy sort of
exemplifies rather than than
hides it away in the corner.
Graeme Reed: Yeah. I do a
multiple year else though. Like
I do still have Graeme Reed,
magic.com event magic.ca and
then grazing.com right? Yeah.
But that’s all for like, you
know, searchability reasons.
Ryan Joyce: Yeah. I’m definitely
a big fan. I’m like a hoarder of
domains. I’ve like, I don’t
know, and go daddy, there’s like
nine pages of them. It’s
ridiculous. But there’s good
marketing purposes to like for
what? Like for the magic
festival, I own three of them
and depending on which one I can
use Google analytics to
basically tell me what source it
came from. So for like anything,
guerrilla marketing, I’m using
o-wow.ca. So it’s just easy to
write on things and it’s just
bigger on smaller things. And so
I know anything that comes from
that domain through Google, the
Google analytics, I’ve just got
it labeled gorilla and then a
and the other ones, there’s
basically print the pamphlets,
the print material I want to see
there, you know, how effective
they are in comparison to the
guerrilla marketing. And then of
course the magic festival.
That’s the AA, the main site,
which I couldn’t believe it was
available. Um, it’s harder to
track, but at least you can find
where all the sources are coming
from. And that applies to
everybody because wherever
you’re marketing you’ve really
got to understand you, you know,
how to communicate to your, your
demographic if you’re using
Facebook ads and such. So, so
that’s always fun to find out
who’s coming from where and be
able to use that data to advance
your efforts specifically to
track all that data. Google
analytics and I’m terrible. And
then because the
one that I’ve stuck with who
from my, my Tim Drake, my buddy
Tim, early on in the game of
SEO, back in the days where it
was all low, like keyword
stuffing and everything. Yeah,
him down in the same font and a
different color. Yeah, he got me
on stat counter and I don’t know
why I’ve just, I it’s been hard
to change on that one. I always
go to that one first and then I
go to Google and I like switches
just like it’s just like who
wants to read a book right now
and then figure out all this
math right now. I love math. I
may be wrong, but is it hard to
find out exactly what I wanted?
Just super fast. So I go to stat
counter and those are the two. I
mean also Google’s tools. Search
console is important for finding
ranking and you know tag
managers in there. There’s a
whole bunch is a world of
knowledge dive into for ranking
in your academy.
Graeme Reed: And like both these
tools are super duper easy just
to copy a line of script
basically and dump it in your
site. Whether it’s a wix or
Squarespace, it’s right as free
and it’s all free and they’re
all free to write at Google
wants you to use. They’re great
tools, but that stack hanger and
that add the Google analytics,
it’s an easy, just one code like
line thing that you can just
copy and paste and you rem
saved, whether it’s Wix,
Squarespace or like any
home-built thing, right? Yeah.
Ryan Joyce: The metrics is so
essential. I mean, you can’t
know where you’re going if
you’re not tracking it. Right?
Like, I mean, we get so much
information from stats, so I
don’t make it as visible. Don’t
have it like a counter at the
bottom that shows 48 page views,
you know, making it an actual
invisible counter and use the
Google service, which is pre
requires some advanced skills
per se. You gotta embed some
code. So whatever you’re using,
did you look it up? They’ve got,
they want you to do it and they
have resources to allow you to
make that process relatively
simple. We’re losing lights all
over the place. This is not that
one though. Yep. Let’s do it.
Let’s just go, let’s clap a
different one on this. Ready?
Oh, well we’ll go, we’ll get a
bigger batteries for the next
round. Yeah, that’s fine. Um,
that’s what makes me feel like
we’re at a stranger things
arcade right now. Does it? Yeah.
I only made it into six
episodes. Not that I didn’t like
the show. Just travel. Right?
Yeah. Yeah. No, that’s fair. So
is it good as I’ve referenced
mean it’s good. Yeah, it’s good.
It’s like eighties, right
instance on ladies. Like, do you
think magicians that like follow
magic and magic and do you think
they watch a lot of magic e
stuff? Like, like that
inherently has a magic five to I
think all magicians are
inherently nerds. Yeah.
Yeah. In their own like, and
that’s a pretty broad term nerd,
right? So like in their own
unique way might even just be
magic nerds. Yup. Right. I like
those in depth look, smart magic
nerds. But I find a lot of like
into video games, pro wrestling,
cartoons, comics, board games,
um, a lot of those nerdy kind of
things and really into them too.
I find a lot of us are
obsessive. We have that
obsessive nature about us
collecting. Definitely
tethering, have to have
something busy yet I always have
to have something busy. So I can
think about something else to we
thinking about things and
creating stuff at creative
already. Any. And if you learn
about something new, if it’s
even, it’s just like a little
bit of a side hobby, like a,
like maybe just cooking, like
you really get into it, right.
But kind of secretly outside of
your magic friends and all that.
Say like you’ll just kind of do
it on your own. Obsessive
compulsive, you’ll get the best
books, the best cooking utensils
for the kitchen and stuff.
You’ll go all in mine version of
that is graphic design and video
production and like all the
extra nerdy things. Like I am
wearing the biggest nerd badge
right now possible. Um, but
those are skills that have also
helped to immensely in the
career. Honestly. Like I, I
remember the first time I
thought branding to myself was a
way we had got this opportunity
to go to the Middle East and we
were, you know, flying over
there in the back of the, the,
my, one of my first
international flights right in
the back of the plane. They had
one. Yeah. Those magazines that
you flipped through. And there
was like a Ritz Carlton ad and
it like struck me and I was
like, if I, how would I want my
image to print jacked if it was
in this magazine, if that’s
where I was hoping through and
that was it. So I really
emulated the idea that if I was
going to have a visual
representation of me, I wanted
it to look expensive. Right. And
I wanted it to look like this
immediately. This person was a
accomplished in a established.
So that’s when I ran with the
unfortunate part about that,
which I, I realized early on is
that tends to lean towards
thinner font.
Graeme Reed: Yes.
Ryan Joyce: You know, it was
serifs, you know, and so I made
a switch later with the logo
that I have now. I made it about
two years ago because a, as much
as I love my old logo, the new
one, I needed it to stand out
bigger on smaller things. So
that’s one thing that’s super
important when people are in
magicians or thinking about
creating another logo is the
visibility of it. I mean you
don’t necessarily, you don’t
have to have a fancy, like
cliched
Graeme Reed: yeah.
Ryan Joyce: Element to it that
says magician. You can just
arrange the words nicely on top
of each other and minimize the
space. You know, I, I don’t
even, I’m a geek, but just by
doing it, I don’t geek out about
the technology or the, the
terms. I think it’s kerning that
current in the space between
writers. Yeah. And that you can
do that in Microsoft word. You
can do that in Google docs. You
can do everything. You just have
trainer corral. Yep. Whatever.
SORTA need, can’t can vary.
Right. That’s one of those free
things. You create logos on
Canva
Graeme Reed: now. Oh, that’s,
Ooh. Yeah. Or wix wakes offers
free logo. Statics is
incredible. I’ve moved every
single one of my, my sites over
to two works, I think. Um,
that’s fuzz for functional
blogs. Yeah. I designed logos
for like 10 years for like
various company and I still do
it too. Yeah. It’s was like
that. But um, yeah, sometimes
you can just get away with a
simple font, font face and dig
deep, like go a little further.
Do some research, right? Like
what we’re entertainers. So look
at Comedians, logos, look at,
but whatever your brand, like
maybe your, say you’re a kid’s
magician, but you’re kind of
like a soup modern day
superhero. So how to superheros
logos. Look what a comic book
club of Islam, but like today’s
comic book logos, cause you’re
not advertising to a kid in the
80s you’re advertising to a kid
in 2019 so what does the 20th
like what is Justice League
today look like? Not like our
retro comic books. They’re like,
who are your average and that
sort of thing.
Ryan Joyce: Yeah. That’s really
a great point to emphasize, I
think is that you’ve got to see
was the audience that you’re
seeking. You’ve got to really
know what they’re, where they’re
accustomed to because if it’s
too out of the out of field or
in the design looks too modern
or too outdated, then they’ll
immediately dismiss you just
immediately,
Graeme Reed: right? Like you
can’t just throw up a Comic Sans
Right or something like that.
I’ve a big pit
Ryan Joyce: that is a, that is a
pet peeve of mine. I’ve been
ranting about that for ever and
a day.
Graeme Reed: Yeah. And it’s the
same thing as the top hat in the
wand. Like does your show really
have a top hat and a wand,
right? Yeah. Then maybe that’s
okay. You can have that in your
logo if that’s a huge part of
it, right? But when you design a
logo and then you look at
something like even um, you
know, like a health, health food
store, he might just throw like
a little leaf on it, right? So
maybe just have an accent of a
playing card or like a star or
just something very simple. You
don’t Viv, but maybe you don’t
need the icon. Don’t worry about
the icon. Just have a tight face
to looks nice. Make your first
name bold your last name, not
bold or flip it right. Try the
other way. Right. That’s totally
fine.
Ryan Joyce: Whatever. Like the
most unique element is of the
name. That’s where you dig in.
You know, if there’s a weird, if
you’ve got a queue in your name,
you can start play with the
queue if you, you know, and
that’s, but realistically don’t.
If you’re new, what magic is not
essential to have a logo. It’s
just essential to have nice
looking material because your
main point is to just work and
work as much as possible. And do
you need a fancy logo to work?
Not yet. I mean, and not only
that, especially at the
beginning, if your goal is to
just get as many shows under
their belt, you should be more
focused on booking the shows
than, than necessarily focusing
on the logo. But you also, you
might not know quite who you are
yet too. So you don’t want to
attach yourself to a logo that
you, you know, you need to
commit a little bit to the logo.
You can’t change it every three
years. You know, you’re really,
we can’t change it frequently.
You should really adapt to
something are there. Otherwise
people just become, you got
annoyed with it and you’re like
no brand recognition and so you,
you really got to commit. So
give yourself some breathing
time. Don’t rush into a brand
and a logo
Graeme Reed: at first if you
want. Right? Like you couldn’t
look, just take a look in like
your bedroom or on your desk or
on yourself. Right? Like at the
logos and, and the magazines and
things you look at and see the
style of art that you enjoy.
Like if you are in escape order
art and you know, I dunno, punk
rock music and things like that
right now there’s like a certain
style of the kind of grunge font
mixed with thin type faces.
There may be longer and
stretched. Maybe you want to
play with that that you want to
do. Maybe you’re into more of
like on artistic, you know,
natural hand drawn flowing kind
of sand like sign painter kind
of look like this. Kind of like,
you know, a bit old baseball
style thing. Maybe that’s what
you wear a lot of like you like
these sports things. Maybe you
put that in your logo. Try these
like you know these hand painted
fonts. Try that at first cause
that’s kind of a representation
of you, right? Maybe the sports
in that logo comes out and your
pattern, everything like that.
And the same as superheroes.
Maybe you’re doing like a bolder
face that’s a little more rigid
kind of thing. Or like what you
said when you first got
introduced to like the high end
you’re going to do Sarah Fonts,
these thinner like these watch
fonts kind of things. Yeah, it’s
exactly that.
A key thing though, when you
make a logo, you got to make
sure that logo can be small and
a business card and like big on
a billboard, scalability,
scalability. It’s gotta be big
and small. You don’t want to
make it too complicated and you
gotta make sure that when it’s
really swollen, a business card
that you can still read your
name so they don’t add too much
extra cause they did the, you
just need your team, you know
your name. Right.
Ryan Joyce: And business cards I
think are also very overlooked.
I mean in reality the, the best
option would be to ask for their
number. That’s the key. I mean
that is the best option. But in
the essence of giving someone a
souvenir or a or some basic
marketing, your business card
really needs the most effective
way to contact you and your
brand. If your brand is your
name, your, your set, don’t
worry about splashy magical
logos. If you can sell magic on
that with a stock image, there’s
definitely stock out there that
you can put on the doesn’t say
1982 magic show, right? I mean
there is options to make it look
magical without, but you just
need to a
Graeme Reed: name and a phone
number. Yeah. For me, I actually
had on one, I have um, a reveal
of one client on there. Uh, you
know, it says just like hugely
entertaining. I think it’s
really short. And then I offer
three quick services that I do
so that if I meet someone, it’s
just in mind what possibly I
could do when they leave. Cause
I find a lot of people that I
meet and think this is just
cause like you’re, you’re way
more established. But when I
meet people, they’re kind of
like, how can I use this guy
that does card tricks walking
about? So like on my card it
says perfect for weddings,
private parties and corporate
events. Right. I hope that stems
in their mind when they lean and
look at it.
Ryan Joyce: Right. You’re in the
situation where you’ve got to
kind of train your clients roe
to use you and, and that’s,
yeah. Which means it’s great
cause you can be used in all
sorts of occasions. Um, yeah,
I’m sort of in the cruise market
so it’s sort of locked and
loaded. It’s just one single
shot kind of a thing. And this
is, this is, you know, we’re,
that also differs is because I
don’t really have to have that
specificity. So let me ask you,
would you ever consider multiple
business cards that are just
focused on each one specifically
or should it be one card with
everything on it separately? I
am
Graeme Reed: right now, I don’t
know. Right now my current
opinion is one ring to rule them
all one card to rule them all
just because it’s easier and
simpler. Um, but I also like I’m
a graphic artists. I’m sure I
changed. I will when I print up
like a batch of my business
cards and I get the next batch,
I’ll redesign it again. Uh,
based on what I’m feeling. Cause
I’m more, I like to experiment a
lot of things right now. Right.
But I still always have one
business card and you’re always
represents me in the same way.
That same quote, a gram read Aka
Grameen saying at on Instagram.
Cause I think that’s the top
social media. Maybe your
Instagram is easiest 100 people
to follow me here.
Ryan Joyce: I’m getting better,
I’m trying to put some effort
and do new with it
Graeme Reed: and then my website
and then the perfect for the
parties and all that. And that’s
all I have on there. And then a
couple of graphics that remind
you that this is a cool, like I
tried to make my business card a
little art piece so that people
want to hold onto it. Right? I
mean that’s my main goal.
Rarely. Yeah. Yeah. And that
should be it.
Ryan Joyce: I mean if you have a
card, it shouldn’t be the
initiative to get them to hold
onto it. I mean really it should
be as great as possible. And
that usually boils down to a
photo shoot, you know, I mean
that is among the digital
toolkit. If photo of yourself,
something with a smile, I mean
that’s essential. And um, what
else do you need? You need a
business card, a photo, a
website and a phone number
Graeme Reed: if it, yeah, phone
number and probably, yeah,
that’s all you need. That’s
really all you need. Collect
those reviews and put it all
together real quick. If you’re
struggling with like, what do I
do with my business card? I
don’t know what to do. Say
you’re like a sleek, modern
mentalist. Think of you’re like
Danny Ocean from Ocean’s 11.
Right? His business card I think
just said his name. Right.
That’s all it was. Right? So
just make it like as nothing is
possible on that card because
that’s how it cool. You should
be in sleek, right? And it
should be very like back door
policy kind of thing. And I
can’t help but thank you for
that.
Ryan Joyce: That was the case of
there was an e and the name, I
would immediately change it to
one of those wavy alliance and
just done with it, right? Yeah.
One thing. And that’d be it.
Sleek sleeping.
Graeme Reed: Cool. Would that
be? Yeah. And if you’re like
maybe your um, like ocean, but
edgy, cool. Now your card just
has a Hashtag on it. Right? Like
that’s all it is. Right. Or just
an ad. Like it’s a little more
modern and if you’re a kid’s
magician these days, I don’t
know about the cartoon font, but
like, you know, like I think
superhero, I really think the
superhero thing like does
marvel, I think brand your suck
cause you’re, you have super
powers now, right kind of thing
and that’s what you’re doing.
Right. That’s a great resource
because they have to communicate
the essential message that we
do. Yeah. Yeah. That’s really,
that’s a great resource. Look at
the, and not like the
superheroes that you would have
grown up with. Look at the
superheroes that are out there
and like the Incredibles justice
league, all these modern things
that are on Netflix. Look at how
they brand and position their
logos. Uh, I see a lot of kids,
entertainers that still kind of
do like this and like a nineties
but like not a, no, no, not like
a nineties pop culture vibe.
It’s like a nineties is not clip
art as a, it’s like, yeah, it’s
nineties clip art. It’s like I
have a, I have a big clip art.
It’s like clip art vibe. Yeah.
Hi. I was just thinking about
cliff bar magician. Go to
Disney’s website and see how
their website’s laid
out. See how it’s spaced. See
it. Like maybe there’s just a
little bit of an image and a
little bit of ad copy. Yep. You
don’t have to overdo it. You
know, with stars and spinning
gifts, right. In magic wand
things. Right. And if you’re a
mentalist guy, look at like, you
know, GQ
Ryan Joyce: like a clothing or a
fashion thing. Like spend time
to make it sound great and make
sure that it is proof. Read and
use sources like Grammarly or a
friend that is, you know, has
that kind of mastery. I don’t,
so I resource some a bunch of
people and so it makes sure it
reads well and then that’s it.
You, I mean you share what you
need to the basics of it and
then don’t make it flowery
because of the only people you
need to do is to help rank. And
with that you just are, you’re
essentially choosing the, the
where you are, you’re like in
your location and your, what you
do and your shows and your name.
That’s, those are essentially
the biggest category headers and
your theme, your, your main
page. And then everything around
that supports those category
headers and all those keywords
and, and you’re done. Don’t make
it, don’t make it flowery
Graeme Reed: because nobody’s
going to read it. Yeah. I think
the final note on logos. Yep.
Your face isn’t the logo. Like
that’s not your logo. Cause if
you put your face a picture of
you with your logo and you make
it real small on a business
card. Yup. You can’t read your
name that big. You want people
to know your name, right?
They’ve now met you. If they’ve
got your business card, they’ve
required your business card,
they have met you, they’ve seen
your face. Yup. Hopefully you’ve
done a good job of introducing
yourself and they’ve taken your
business card for a reason. So
they just need your name. They
need to remember, you’re right.
Yeah.
Ryan Joyce: I just did a whole
post on, actually I’m in
additions, logos and some
thoughts on that. So we’ll put
the link in the show notes as
well. It’s a topic that I enjoy
discussing, which means I’m an
extra nerd on this. I love
talking about magicians logos
and logos in general because
it’s, it’s kind of an extension.
I’ve always an extension of your
brand. So real quick just to
wrap this up, the difference
between a logo and a brand,
Graeme Reed: a brand is more of
like a, what you represent, I
guess kind of like the emotions
that you would represent, uh,
the way that the audience would
perceive you. So like, you know,
these are like things like fun,
energetic, uh, hilarious and
maybe colors that are associated
with that brand and stuff. Where
a logo would be, say you wrote
out your brand on a page, uh, it
would be the sum up of your
brand visually represented as
like simplistic as possible. I
think the, the, is that a good
explanation with logo? Yeah, I
guess, yeah, I’ve avoided
Ryan Joyce: is like the voice,
the tone and you know, you can
lay out a brand in a book. We
were in our industry, you’re
familiar with the look book and
it’s basically, you know, all
the color choices in the fonts
and the slogans in the, all of
that laid out in the patterns,
all that stuff. All really pre
preestablished that’s so
technically branded and a brand
is just like an essence of the
company as a whole. Usually you
can, you can tell it in the tone
of voice kind of thing. And the
logo is like, I always looked at
the logo, I as like, if your
personality could cast a shadow,
what would it, what would that
shadow be? You know? And that’s,
that’s your logo. It’s magicians
can have fake logos with just a
pip, a card pip. Right? Like you
just, all you gotta do drop it
in, you know, magician. Boom.
You’re done.
Graeme Reed: Yeah. Easy. Yeah.
Dot your eye. Get rid of the
somehow. Figure a way to get
the, I am your name and put the
club there. Just don’t call
yourself a master magician.
Cause if you’re thinking about
what your logo looks like. Yup.
I and most of us are master
magicians, so nope, don’t do
that.
Ryan Joyce: Then there’s there,
there’s some pretty good
thoughts on magician’s logos.
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  1. I'm going to add #TaDoozle to my vocab starting today!!!!!! I am totally in agreement with what you two talked about and "dangerous" magic makes me uncomfortable. Show me a card trick, saw a person in half, transform a person into a tiger…..that's my magic taste! Love this episode, Ryan!

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