Misrepresenting Mental Health | 13 Reasons Why

Misrepresenting Mental Health | 13 Reasons Why


Hey…
It’s Knowing Better.
Don’t adjust your… whatever device you’re
watching this on.
It’s me, live and in stereo.
No gimmicky titles, no thirteen title cards,
and this time, no guests.
Get a snack, settle in, because I’m about
to tell you why this show is the worst thing
to happen to mental health awareness in recent
memory.
13 Reasons Why, welcome to your tape.
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Thirteen Reasons Why is a teen drama on Netflix
that has sparked a lot of controversy since
the first season came out last year.
It covers sex, suicide, mental health, substance
abuse, you name it.
Their stated goal in the trigger warning which
precedes the first episode is to-
Start a conversation.
If you’ve been following me on Twitter,
you know that I have a deep seeded hatred
for this show and the way that it glorifies
mental health issues.
And specifically suicide.
The show also gets a lot wrong about high
school in general, which is weird considering
what a universal experience that is.
You’d think the producers would know what
high school is like.
We could spend hours discussing plot holes,
like how adults don’t seem to exist in this
universe at all.
Or how the cliques are incredibly well-defined,
there are no jocks in band, there are no band
geeks in yearbook…
Think about your high school experience, was
anybody just one thing?
We could also talk about silly nitpicks like
how Jessica’s dad is in the Air Force, but
nobody else’s parents are – do they live
200 miles away from the nearest base or something?
How is he the only one?
Or how about the fact that Tony thinks cassette
tapes are a superior medium.
You’re still on the old media, huh?
So much better.
In what universe is that true?!
You can make the case that vinyl sounds better,
we could have that debate, but audio cassettes?
C’mon.
No, we’re not here to nitpick those things,
I’m not a film critic.
If you are interested in sort of thing, as
well as some of the more technical aspects,
I recommend this video by I Hate Everything…
I really need to figure out what’s causing
that.
We’re here to talk about the broken psychology
and inaccurate depictions of mental health
in the show.
We are going to-
Start a conversation.
For those of you unfamiliar with the show,
the basic premise is that Hannah Baker kills
herself and leaves behind several audio tapes
with thirteen reasons explaining why she did
it.
The set gets passed from person to person
until they reach Clay, the main protagonist
and audience surrogate.
We listen to the tapes and learn things along
with him and experience the various flashbacks
just as he does.
It was actually a pretty clever narrative
device to have him crash his bike in the first
episode – if he has a scar, it’s currently
happening; if he doesn’t, it’s a flashback.
In the beginning of season two, Hannah reappears
to Clay, not in a flashback, but in current
time.
So you talk now?
Apparently.
There are only two possible explanations for
this.
A, Hannah is a ghost, in which case I have
some rather strong opinions which I’ve discussed
before.
You don’t get to come back and watch your
epic revenge fantasy unfold.
But since Executive Producer, Selena Gomez,
described the show as “so real” we can
assume that’s not the case.
Which leaves us with option B, Clay has schizophrenia.
It’s somewhat eluded to during season one
that Clay had a mental health issue that required
medication and therapy in the past, but we’re
never given any context, maybe they’re leaving
that for season three.
Yes, there’s going to be a season three.
Schizophrenia usually doesn’t present itself
until your early- to mid-twenties, so it’s
a little odd that he’s showing symptoms
already.
There are two main symptoms of schizophrenia.
Delusions are a false belief about reality
– everything from that person is a secret
robot replacement, to the government is run
by reptilian shapeshifters, to all of this
is just a computer simulation.
This is just a symptom of schizophrenia, if
you happen to believe any of these, that doesn’t
mean you have schizophrenia – but you might.
Clay doesn’t appear to have any delusions,
but he is experiencing hallucinations, seeing
or hearing something that isn’t actually
there.
Hallucinations come in many different forms
and literally affect every sense.
A good example of a tactile hallucination
is when you feel your phone vibrate in your
pocket but when you look- I’m actually convinced
that it does vibrate because sometimes when
I look at my phone I’ll see the notification
disapp- anyway.
Most hallucinations that we’re concerned
with are either auditory, so you’re hearing
voices, or visual, you’re seeing things.
Clay is experiencing both, an audiovisual
hallucination of a girl who isn’t really
there, which is rare, but not impossible.
The problem with this depiction is how he
responds to and interacts with the hallucination.
Firstly, hallucinations are usually quick
or fleeting – they appear for a moment and
then hide behind a tree or corner when you
try to get a better look at them, and when
you go to investigate, they’re gone.
Secondly, they’re usually scary.
Nobody is hallucinating that they’re on
a date with a supermodel or Magic Mike.
It’s usually somebody’s trying to murder
you or watching you.
This is what causes idiots who are high on
salvia to run into traffic or jump out of
the window of their second story apartment.
Because thirdly, and perhaps most importantly,
you don’t know that you are hallucinating.
You might realize it afterwards and have a
laugh while putting the video up on youtube,
you might even know that you’re going to
hallucinate, which is why you set up the camera
in the first place.
But in the moment, it is real.
Your brain is telling you that what you’re
seeing or hearing is actually happening.
So Clay realizing that she isn’t real and
still having full conversations with her is
an inaccurate depiction of a hallucination.
Earlier in the first episode, she appears
in the background or he mistakes people for
her, but she always disappears in a flash
because hallucinations are fleeting.
It even gets in the way of his relationship
with Skye.
What the f-
At first I wanted to applaud the show for
its depiction of teenage sex… ugh it sounds
creepy when I say that.
The typical Hollywood trope is that all it
takes for a teenage boy is a strong breeze.
Open the window and breeze rolls in and I-
But in reality, the opposite is just as common
and they go out of their way to show that.
I like the way you look, I like you.
Really?
Because your body is kinda saying the opposite.
This is Psychogenic Erectile Dysfunction,
meaning it’s psychological in origin rather
than biological.
These kids are way too young to be having
biological problems in that regard.
They’re way too nervous, their mind is elsewhere,
they’re hallucinating.
It really does happen to a lot of guys, your
girlfriend isn’t lying to you.
But then they throw it all out the window
and have the creepy incel ruin his pants in
a movie theater.
What’s wrong?
Sorry!
Skye is Clay’s girlfriend in season two,
at least when he’s not obsessing over Hannah,
and she’s your typical goth gf.
Skye has Bipolar Disorder.
A person without this disorder goes through
normal ups and downs, but it’s much more
pronounced in a person who is bipolar.
They go from a deep depression to mania.
Most people understand what depression is,
we’ve all likely experienced it at some
point.
But mania is a little more difficult to wrap
your head around.
People going through a manic state feel invincible,
not physically, obviously, but they feel great
and like nothing could ever ruin this.
So they engage in risky behavior, like gambling,
drug use, and sex.
Now, I’m not a clinical psychologist, but
I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night,
so I was able to diagnose her with bipolar
disorder during this scene…
We hang out.
What does that mean?
I never know… is that slang for sex?
Mom!
I just hope you’re being careful.
Oh c’mon, no adult in that room would not
know what just happened there.
It’s later confirmed to the audience that
she has that disorder while she’s at an
in-patient mental health resort.
Look are they sure it’s bipolar?
I mean it feels like kind of a blurry line
between someone being manic and someone being
in a really good mood.
But I would also argue that she has Borderline
Personality Disorder, which is often co-morbid
with Bipolar, meaning that they occur at the
same time.
Having Borderline Personality Disorder means
that those ups and downs are much more unstable
and sudden.
Skye goes from a manic episode to an incredibly
depressed episode in a matter of minutes and
then goes home to self-harm.
Along with Minecraft, Skye also does Non-Suicidal
Self-Injury, or NSSI.
More commonly known as cutting.
Then what’s that?
It’s what you do instead of killing yourself.
There are three main reasons why people self-harm
and in order to discuss them, we need to talk
about conditioning.
I hope you paid attention during your Intro
Psych class.
If you want to get someone to do something
there are two ways to go about it, with a
reward or punishment.
Though in psychology, we call it reinforcement
and punishment.
And then there are two types of each of these,
positive and negative.
Positive and negative don’t mean good or
bad in this context, it means you are getting
something or taking something away.
So a positive reinforcement is something we
all understand, you’re getting something
good as a reward.
Positive punishment is also something we all
understand, though the name sounds a bit contradictory.
You are getting a punishment.
A negative reinforcement is when something
bad is taken away, maybe a siren turns off
when you stand in a certain place or a headache
goes away after you take medication.
The behavior is reinforced by stopping a bad
thing from happening.
A negative punishment on the other hand is
when you take away something good.
Like being grounded or banned from a video
game.
So now that we have that covered, why do people
self-harm?
Positive reinforcement is unfortunately a
big contributor.
Someone who is feeling neglected will self-harm
and are suddenly showered with care and attention.
It’s an attention-seeking behavior in the
same vein as Munchausen Syndrome.
The person obviously needs medical attention
and mental health care, but that’s also
why they did it in the first place, so it’s
kind of a Catch-22.
Positive punishment is somewhat more rare.
Someone will physically punish themselves
for some moral failing or wrongdoing.
This is common in people who suffered abuse
as a child and no longer have a parental figure
to dole out punishment, so… they do it themselves.
Skye, as far as I can tell, doesn’t fall
into this category.
But negative reinforcement does seem to fit
the bill.
She’s taking away the emotional pain she’s
feeling and replacing it with physical pain.
As soon as she feels a depressive state coming
on, she goes home and cuts herself to stop
it.
She doesn’t want to die, people who cut
don’t do it with suicidal intent.
It’s the just pain that they’re after,
thus the name.
Unfortunately, well over half of people who
self-harm eventually attempt suicide.
So if they tell you it’s nothing to worry
about, it’s not nothing.
Hannah commits suicide before the first episode,
she didn’t self-harm or show symptoms of
any mental health issues before that.
But two of the thirteen causes that she lists
involve sexual assault; one of them happens
to her and the other to a friend while she
is hiding in a closet.
Now, I’ve heard criticisms of Hannah’s
response to these assaults and, especially
in the case of her friend, felt it myself.
Why didn’t she do anything?
Whether it was trying to stop it, or screaming,
or calling the cops, she could have done something,
right?
To respond to that criticism, we need to talk
about your fight or flight response.
Your nervous system has multiple parts and
subdivisions – it’s not just your brain.
Your brain is the Central Nervous System or
CNS, but you also have a Peripheral Nervous
System, which branches off from your spinal
cord and is never abbreviated.
And it can make decisions and perform actions
independently from your brain.
It’s not like a separate person or anything,
it’s very basic decisions.
Have you ever touched a hot stove and pulled
your hand back before you even felt that it
was hot?
That’s your Peripheral Nervous System.
The Peripheral Nervous System also has two
parts, the Somatic, which controls movement
and sensory input, and the Autonomic, which
regulates your physiological functions.
The Autonomic Nervous System is what regulates
your arousal level, through, yet again, two
systems.
The Sympathetic Nervous System ramps you up
for your fight or flight response, while the
Parasympathetic calms you down for rest and
digest.
So what happens when you encounter something
stressful, like a lion or your friend being
assaulted?
The amygdala is activated, followed by the
hypothalamus, pituitary, and adrenal glands,
releasing epinephrine, also known as adrenaline
– which along with raising your heart rate
and affecting your senses, also slows down
your perception of time so you can react more
quickly and decide whether to run away or
stand your ground.
But that doesn’t happen with Hannah does
it?
Because fight or flight is an incomplete understanding
of the available options.
It’s actually fight, flight, or freeze.
Which is the most common response in modern
humans.
It’s the deer in headlights.
You don’t know what to do, so instead of
making a decision, you do nothing.
Do Something!
Hannah doesn’t know if running away will
cause more harm or if screaming and fighting
back will cause more harm.
So she freezes – whether she’s the victim
or a witness.
So at least her response is consistent across
both situations.
Now let’s talk about the suicide.
Is it possible we can be done with all this?
I mean it’s been over a week, isn’t healthy
to like move on?
The school is right to be concerned.
Knowing someone who commits suicide increases
the likelihood of friends and family to commit
suicide by 65% or more.
It’s called Suicide Contagion and it can
happen in a local cluster or even nationally
when it’s someone like a celebrity.
So the school is reacting appropriately to
try and get out ahead of any copycat suicides.
Which is exactly what happens anyway.
Alex attempts to kill himself by shooting
himself in the head, which doesn’t work.
When, in reality, it works 97-99% of the time.
This is in contrast to Hannah, who kills herself
by cutting her-
Whoa whoa, I’m not showing that scene are
you crazy?!
I also disagree with the show showing that,
it was pure shock value and nothing more.
Anyway, in reality, cutting your wrists only
works 1.2-6% of the time.
So it’s flipped for some reason.
Not to mention the show and various other
media depictions make it look like it only
takes a few seconds or minutes.
When in reality it takes 4-6 hours, if it
works at all.
Your body is incredibly resilient to injuries
like that, remember that scene from Saving
Private Ryan?
Whereas gunshots to the head in the show and
elsewhere, sometimes don’t work.
I have my own tin foil hat theories on why
the show flips the success rate, but I’ll
let you discuss that down below.
You have a cane and a scar.
Where?
Where is the scar?
I get that they might not have wanted him
to have some disfiguring scar that they’d
have to apply before filming every day, but
they had no problem with doing that for Clay
in the first season.
Later, they try to say that the scars are
under his hair, which he grew out, which is
supposed to be the narrative device this season
to differentiate between flashbacks.
So let’s try and figure this out together.
He isn’t Phineas Gage, he didn’t shoot
up and through, that would be horribly disfiguring
and we would see that.
In fact, there doesn’t seem to be any frontal
lobe damage at all.
He also didn’t hit his occipital lobe in
the back of the brain, since his vision seems
to be intact.
The temporal lobes are the next candidate,
but this would also damage his hearing and
speech, which doesn’t seem to be the case.
Which leaves us with the parietal lobe, which
controls sensory and motor function, and given
his limp and later erectile issues, makes
the most sense.
But he also has another plot-convenient symptom.
The bullet went up and in and out of my skull
and into the wall, that’s what they told
me.
You don’t remember?
No, I don’t remember anything of like a
month before that.
Okay forgetting that up and in an out doesn’t
entirely make sense-
That’s not how amnesia works.
That’s not how any of this works.
There are several different types of memory
and therefore several different types of amnesia.
There’s Implicit Memory, which is unconscious
and pertains to things like language and skills,
and then there’s Explicit Memory, which
is conscious and contains two parts.
Because everything so far contains two parts.
Firstly, there’s Semantic Memory, which
is facts, definitions, and dates and stuff.
And secondly, Episodic Memory, which is events
and experiences.
They don’t always have to be autobiographical,
if you watch a movie or hear a story from
a friend, that’s logged as an Episodic Memory.
Whether it happened to you or not.
It would seem based on his recollection, that
he’s lost his Autobiographical Episodic
Memory.
If you lose your memory for the past, that’s
Retrograde Amnesia – everything from before
the damage or disease.
You can also lose the ability to form new
memories, or Anterograde Amnesia, which is
what happened to Drew Barrymore in a movie
that shall not be named, usually caused by
damage or disease to the subcortical structures,
most notably the hippocampus.
It’s usually all or nothing when it comes
to memory loss from physical damage to the
brain.
You can psychologically repress a memory for
a traumatic event, so I can understand not
remembering the actual shooting itself.
But not remembering only a plot-specific month
before the attempt is basically impossible.
With amnesia, he’d probably forget a ton
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The show gets a few things correct, but it
also gets a lot of things wrong.
In order to depict some of these disorders,
they have to crank it up to 11.
Showing a more accurate mild bipolar disorder
wouldn’t really come across the screen that
well.
But in these exaggerations, they lose a lot
of the nuance of human behavior, which can
lead people to dismiss actual mental health
issues as not that bad.
If 13 Reasons Why is the standard you are
holding people up to when thinking of disorders,
then very few people have disorders that need
addressing.
Not everybody with schizophrenia hallucinates
dead people.
The creators wanted to start a conversation,
and now we can have that conversation, because
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100 thoughts on “Misrepresenting Mental Health | 13 Reasons Why”

  1. "I really need to figure out what's causing that."
    Oh, that's not just me? Good. I almost thought my HPPD was acting up again.

  2. That’s why I’ve never had any interest of that show. Going into high school, I was super scared for it, hearing about what this show was. I think it’s kind of twisted. I also hate how it seems to normalize that stuff.

  3. Thank you for skipping the hana scene, the first time I watched the show I could sense what was coming and didnt even watch the whole scene. I closed my eyes and yet I saw it for a split second and the screaming and sounds was too much. It triggered my phobia so badly I couldn't stop shaking and couldnt breathe properly for almost an hour. It's been years and I dont even remember the scenes yet it scares me.

  4. i was really enjoying this until you mentioned the self harm….. that's one of my biggest fears. i have social anxiety and i absolutely canNOT draw more attention to myself. i did NOT self harm for attention. it's one of the worst things you could say to someone. 🙁 even to people without social anxiety or an anxiety disorder, it is NOT done for attention. there ARE cases where people genuinely do it for attention, but ffs, it is NOT ALWAYS THE CASE. i was called crazy the first time my parents saw my self harm scars. i would NEVER show anyone. ever.

  5. This video was very intriguing and informative. I've never heard of suicide contagion before ever. It might explain why suicide rates increased after 13 reasons why released

  6. I just figured that Clay hallucinated Hannah out of grief, not because of a preexisting mental problem. But the other critiques are totally valid

  7. 3:15 sorry to nitpick (the video is great, and convinced me not to watch this crap) but while child (very early onset) schizophrenia is indeed rare, teenage schizophrenia (early onset) for males is not so much. It's also common for people to display some symptoms in their teens before developing full-blown psychosis when adults.

  8. self harm is actually a poor form of stress relief, especially to those who haven't learned healthy coping mechanisms. when one feels overwhelmed with emotion, they self harm. this is because cutting releases endorphins that allow you to actually calm down after a stressful situation. another reason people may self harm that is more common in unipolar depression is because they feel dissociated. they believe that something is better than nothing, and thus they resort to cutting or burning or slamming their head into a wall.

    in skye's case, the former would be more plausible. she doesn't want to die, but she does go through a constantly fluctuating emotional state, hence overwhelming her to the point where she needs some way to be able to release it.

  9. I absolutely hate that they've romantized it, made it look edgy and mysterious. It's not accurate at ALL. I highly recommend the show 'please like me', it has portraited depression really well in my opinion, without it being 'triggering' and without the pretentious sad music playing in the background.

  10. Showing Hannah Bakers suicide was so triggering, I had a mild Anxiety attack seeing that, why did they put that? I didn't expect it to be so graphic. I can't watch the show and since it's so popular I really wanted to but I couldn't so now I think I'll just read the book. I just hope it's not too descriptive.

  11. I think this really clearly depicts the problems i that i had with this show and now when someone starts some shit about “ oh i saw this show so i know that this person isn’t actually suffering from this” i can show them this video and really get the point across opposed to me fumbling over my words and the letting the point become un clear and blurred

  12. 4:00 dude when he said 'all of this Is just a computer simulation' I just stopped and looked at my phone, I've never heard of someone else think of this before but I totally believe this is all a computer game and it makes me question reality daily

  13. I didn't think she was a hallucination. I thought her appearing places and talking represented rumination. Sometimes when I ruminate about situations involving others, I tend to think I see them in public more often when its just someone with a similar stature or face. I thought the conversations were him talking to her in his head and him wanting to hold onto his existence so bad. Maybe I looked too deep into this and related it too much to my own life.

  14. i havent watched it because im triggered easily and from what ive heard, its an extremely inaccurate and triggering show, but i hate it only knowing parts of it.

  15. Not everyone who cuts, does it for attention tbh.. (like me.. I have been clean for 5 years now tho!) some may.. Some hide it.

  16. It disgusts me that there are some people romanticize depression and suicide as I do suffer from those issues. It's 2019 and we must have more awareness to mental health, but people are even hyped for the new season of this show 🤦🏻‍♀️

  17. Having hallucinations and psychosis doesn't automatically mean that someone has schizophrenia. Schizoaffective disorder, bipolar disorder, and even depression can present with psychosis.

  18. I am very sure that there are some people who are so used to their disorder that they know when they're hallucinating. I've had auditory hallucinations before, and sometimes, I know that it's not real.

  19. 1) You can have mixed episodes in bipolar, I tend to get them. 2) Borderline personality disorder is, well, a personality disorder, and those 'ups' and 'downs' occur more in the person's relationships with people, i.e. difficulty forming bonds, pushing people who are close to you away, being very manipulative with other people's emotions, etc. While the two disorders can be comorbid, borderline personality disorder is not a mood disorder, like how it was described in the video.

  20. Hey everyone just a warning, when he is talking about hallucinations, around the 4 minute mark, after he says;
    “They usually hide behind a corner or tree”
    The sentence after that there is a brief (but loud) jump scare.
    I get anxiety for long periods of time after being startled.
    Just wanted to let anyone know.

  21. I feel like it started a conversation, but it didn’t do it the right way. It brought a bit more light to the topic but glorified it. As someone who deals with mental health, the show just feels… wrong. Not that it was a bad show, but it was a bad way of just trying to do a PSA I guess. Idk. It should have been handled better I guess.

  22. This show basically romanticized mental health issues and claims to help spread awareness. Factually there was so much wrong with this, it irks me to know younger teenagers might have watched these and gotten the worst representation possible. Yikes

  23. how was she supposed to have done it? in the book it's tablets.
    in the uk, we had a programme "skins", we had an overdose from an anorexic who did it with pills and booze.
    another girl slashes her wrists, those two survive, but one girl, sophia, tooked a yoke/xtc and jumped off a balcony and died.
    i think there were other nihilistic near mises but those three weren't edited at all.
    sadly, suicide does happen.
    and the person whom you're messaging you right now saying they're "fine!", could be actually on the brink.

    having said that, I've only read this book, not seen the programme, don't think I'd been into it.

  24. I really hope she does not have BPD. I live with BPD and have been getting help and getting better. But this show that already has a wrapped view of mental health really does not to be added to list of BPD misinterpretations.

  25. i agree with your points but your understanding of schizophrenia and psychosis in general is way too simplified. it has wayyyyy more variation than you say it does.

  26. Ok, I liked the video but I have to comment on the self-harm part. As someone who struggeled with this problem in the past and knows a few other people who do, I want to say that it's not for attention. most of us try to hide it. For a long time I wore only long clothes and had panic attacks whenever someone looked at my scars. and also, you're not always showered with love if someone finds out. many people don't understand and think it's something stupid. and I think the show doesn't help with educating people about it, because it is depicted in the first season as a reasonable coping mechanism for suicidal thoughts. skye only says "it's what you do instead of killing yourself" and after that it is NEVER clearified that it's an unhealthy thing to think. sure, someone who is memtally stable probably will know that, but to someone who is mentally ill and dealing with such problems it only makes the bad thoughts worse. I hope everyone umderstands what I mean

  27. Thank you for the explanations! I actually have experienced some of these, for example I was once sexually assaulted while on a job when I was 16. I totally froze and I felt so bad about it afterwards. I was so ashamed.

  28. anyone saying they want to "start a conversation" is almost always "starting the conversation" for views – ie money.

  29. 4:06 to believing this is all a simulation? my good sir, would mind giving a brief look at one of Elon Musk speeches during some podcast studios where he states the same idea? besides if no one had made the matrix movie, schizophrenic people wouldn't even believe that concept, so your 'professional' argument goes right off the window, people like you are the ones that clearly show psychiatry is a fucking scam, pseudo-scientific freud methods? give me a break

  30. What if Hannah baker came back and she wasent dead the whole time? But then the main dude killed her out of rage or something. Now that's be fucking lit.

  31. Great video; not arguing about the overall points you make. However, I don't think the character's "memory blank" is an unrealistic portrayal after a suicide attempt involving head trauma.

    Clinical depression can cause serious memory consolidation issues in and of itself – for example, I have a folder of very creepy text documents talking about things that happened to me while I was in the depths of depression: not only do I not remember writing the text in them, I don't remember 75% of the content of them.

    Furthermore, even if the bullet miraculously missed all the important bits of the brain on its way through (which is, of course, extremely unrealistic), getting hit in the skull with a projectile is going to give you a CONCUSSION, which… yeah. Memory consolidation issues, and assorted other issues including but not limited to recall problems.

    HOWEVER, even for depression and a concussion alone, without even considering the bullet directly involved with brain tissue, the kid is too asymptomatic overall.

  32. Look all the DSM examples and 89% of "officially, by a psyMD/PhD-diagnosis" is a misrepresentation of a mental malady. It's so much BS and most of what's not fluff isn't treated appropriately so I can't care less if Hollywood, and not the APA robs people of their $ and sanity so why does it matter who is robbing us and over medicating us, when it's wrong either way. Do you talk about that? No, so,….What do you want.

  33. What i dont get is ……if she was able to make 13 tapes that means she had a lot of time and thoughts to make them …….
    She was long gone ….maybe 1 or 2 person are responsible bt not all are responsible …….
    Now if her teacher would have told to do 10 hours homework …..she would have included that too

  34. I like your video but most of the time (as someone who used to selfharm) I didn't do it to punish myself, but I also didn't show it off. I hid it the best I could. If anyone saw it I had a panic attack. Self harm isn't always for attention or for punishment.

  35. “At first I wanna applause the show for its representation of teenage sex…ahhh it’s sounds creepy when I say that out loud”

  36. Knowing better : 13 reasons why…
    Me : I'm coming for you bitch !
    Knowing better: ..welcome to your tape
    Me: oh

  37. If you wanna make a show or movie abt mental illness it's probably a good idea to actually know wtf you're talking abt lmfao idk why ppl like this show sm

  38. Since when are there always cliques in american high schools. This show is full of living cliches, I get that she froze when she saw jessica getting raped and when she was raped. This show gets everything wrong and is way to overdramatic it is unrealistic and turns suicide into something to gain attention with

  39. 9:56 you are wrong there i used to cut and i hid it i did it bcs it made me feel better it made me relese the pain i hid it from everyone so you are wrong there

  40. Did you really just compare self harm to munchaussasen’s? Most people cut because of extreme emotional distress, not to get attention. I’ve avoided seeking medical help for cutting more times than I can count, knowing I needed stitches or surgery, dealing with infections and slow healing wounds myself, all the time covering them up and putting on a brave face. And I’ve also sought appropriate medical care after cutting. It’s not one or the other. It’s a question of can I be bothered being treated like a drain on resources at the ED or can I be bothered dealing with open wounds for months. Neither is fun. But I sure as hell don’t do it because I feel like sitting in a waiting room for 6 hours, being treated like shit because I have a diagnosis of BPD and people like you spread the stigma, and then the sheer pain of local anaesthetic, the embarrassment crying in pain and the doctor not understanding how you can slice yourself silly but not cope with a bit of lidocaine. Or having to stay for days for surgery while you’re lying to your friends and family about where you are because you’re so ashamed. Not even telling your own mother you had surgery because you know she’ll be disappointed in you and when you finally tell her months later she is, indeed, disappointed as hell. Cutting is an addiction and it just gets worse and worse as you build up a resistance to the pain, like a drug. Someone who has cut themselves for years is not just ‘attention seeking’.

  41. One of the producers in an “after the episode” type thing, said they showed Hannah’s suicide to show that suicide isn’t easy or pretty. 😒 I like what you said better. It’s all shock value.

  42. *looks at sister who has Manic Depression (and is getting help, also MD [if I remember correctly] is a form is bipolar disorder)*
    Yeah, the mood swings thing was odd with that girl. I can't explain it, but, after seeing my sister's mood swings just seeing Skie's (idk how to spell her name) just seems off. Her swings sometimes have no triggers and my sister's often have triggers.

  43. The bipolar part is pretty true because I've gone from extremely depressed and self harming into hyper sexual and energetic I've been diagnosed whit it by medical professionals

  44. I recently had a (honestly pretty civil) argument with someone about this show. They lamented Netflix possibly censoring Hannah’s suicide from the series as he felt it was important to show in this series he professed was a “realistic portrayal.” I shared my concerns that addressing these topics was fine but if their delivery starts to have more negative affects than positive then I thought it was fine cutting the scene. In the end we were two suicide survivors who just had different approaches to the subject. I certainly used to be of the type that thought just including heavy subject matter made a story worthwhile and deep, I have since learned better from seeing it miss used to many times, this show among of them.

  45. I think the overall point of your video is great because this tv show is terrible in any way. But you are also miseducating people by explaining mental illnesses that aren’t as you said.

  46. What people see when they hallucinate actually may depend on the culture they grow up in. In America, hallucinations are scary whereas that is not true in other parts of the world. People in different cultures have said that when they hallucinate, they see their ancestors, for example.

  47. I regretted watching the first season. I suffer from mild depression and anxiety that feed off each other. It made me feel bad nothing HORRIBLE happened to me to make me want to hurt myself. The main reason is I disappointed my parents or loved ones. I got caught shoplifting and therefore I am an absolute horrible person who deserves to be punished, I stayed out too late. I end up on constant loops of bad thoughts until I am cutting or cry until I get a migraine. My parents weren't abusive but there were signs of my behavior since toddlerhood(being told no or mild scolding would causeme to cry for at least 10 minutes). It wasn't until an episode infront of my mom(talking about harming myself) that I got put on anxiety meds to stop the escalation or end the loop.

    Your video has helped me understand my issues more. This show still makes me angry.

  48. Schizophrenia often happens between 15 and 25, which means Clay could have it. But the point is that Hanna's "ghost" or hallucination is just the way to show his intrusive internal dialogue with her. How else would you show it in the movie?

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