Who Owns The Statue of Liberty?

Who Owns The Statue of Liberty?

Who owns the Statue of Liberty? New York or New Jersey?
It should be straight forward, but the island upon which the statue stands, Liberty Island…
… has been part of a long fight between the states over their river border…
… and the islands between them, …
… with rounds in the 90s, the 80s, the 30s (the 1830s) and possibly more beyond 2000.
But to understand we must first go back to the 1600s.
New Netherland was minding her own business, when England using bigger-navy diplomacy made the Dutch colony hers.
Here the trouble begins, for England split New Netherland in twain, but not cleanly.
The mess wasn’t entirely England’s fault.
She was far away and maps in the 1600s, while they weren’t bad, they weren’t good either.
Thus, the charter splitting New Netherlands reads [*clears throat*]: …
“THIS INDENTURE made the four and twentieth day of June, in the sixteenth year of… [*mumbles*] …
…Whereas… by Letters under Patents of the Great Seal of England, bearing date on or about the twelfth day of…
… [duhduhduhduhduh… OK, OK], did… give and grant…
… all that tract of land… belonging to the westward of Long Island, and Manhitas Island…
… and bounded on the east part by the main sea, and part by Hudson’s river…
… which said tract of land is hereafter to be called by the name… of…
… New Caeserea? Or New Jersey.”
You pick.
Ugh, hoo-boy is this not an easy read. Paragraph breaks, England, you should try them.
This charter has uncertainty about the names of everything, wrong latitude and longitude numbers, and incomplete descriptions of the rivers.
It’s all a vague mess.
For example, is this part of the Hudson river, or not? The charter doesn’t say.
And “bounded on the east” but where?
And there’s another part about “several other islands” but, which islands exactly?
Like, say Ellis Island and Liberty Island?
England said, whatever, your problem now and left the young colonies to three hundred years of squabbling.
New Jersey said the Hudson flowed out to sea, and her border ran down the middle of the river,…
… like it does in every other colonial charter, and thus the islands Staten, Ellis, and Liberty were hers.
But New York, the Empire State, disagreed.
The Hudson river? Flows roundward then onward.
These islands? New York.
And also the river, the whole river, and the piers you’ve built into the river.
All New York. All belong to us.
New Jersey didn’t agree, but when borders are vague, bigger stick diplomacy rules.
And with the wealthy and powerful city of New Amster– er… New York at the heart of the conflict, …
… New York got what New York wanted.
When New Caeser– er… New Jersey asked: “Why don’t we split the river?”
New York asked: “Why don’t you make me?”
And also: “Where are my taxes from those piers?”
And also: “This island is a small pox quarantine now.”
And also: “Stop hitting yourself.”
By 1832, New Jersey had enough and called in the teacher, er… Supreme Court.
New York didn’t show up — saying the court had no authority to settle a disagreement between the states.
Which sounds crazy now but was kind of an unsettled question at the time.
Because America was having power struggles with unruly states then…
… and New York blowing off the Supreme Court wasn’t helping.
Worse: if the Supreme Court ruled New York must share her borders (which seemed likely) …
… New York would comply… whoops, NO, New York was going to tell the court to get bent.
America, trying to grow up to be a powerful federal goverment, did not want this.
So the Supreme Court decided to not take the case right now, maybe later …
… and then America used some political leverage to get New York to agree to settle the matter privately with New Jersey.
So the two states haggled:
New Jersey gave up her claims to Staten Island and in return…
… New York agreed New Jersey’s northern border extended into the river and down the middle…
… past Ellis Island, past Liberty Island…
… squeezing around Staten Island before going back out to sea.
Ah hah! So the Statue of Liberty is in New Jersey!
No, New Jersey also gave up Ellis Island and Liberty Island too.
Which seems like giving up a lot, but look, river access in the age of steam boats was a big deal.
And sacrificing a couple islands to get her piers back was worth it.
And America was happy because a power struggle between her and the states was averted.
And everything was going to be smooth sailing…
Uh, anyway, both islands are New York enclaves inside New Jersey’s border.
Which does make answering the question “Where is the Statue of Liberty?” …
… with “In New Jersey” technically correct in the most pointless kind of way.
Now in the midst of all this, America noticed Liberty Island’s rather strategic position…
… and she took it for herself as federal land and built a pretty star fortress upon it that could shoot in every direction.
Look familiar?
Later when France sent America the Statue of Liberty as a symbol of their eternal friendship …
(A bond forged side-by-side in the heat of the young rebel’s battle for freedom from the Empire …
… a bond America would surely “hashtag” never forget.)
… America said: “I will put it right here where it will be the first thing everyone coming to the United States will see! BFFs, France! BFFs, forever.”
So the statue was put atop an old Federal Fort on Federal Land and, pow, made a National Monument.
So America owns the statue?
This opens a book titled “What is Federal Land, like what does it mean? for real though?”.
Which will be firmly closed as a story for another time otherwise we will never finish this.
It’s still only the 60s and we have yet to talk about the squabble over the land below the water… yesreally.
So back to Ellis Island for a moment.
Which, a hundred and fifty years after borders were supposedly settled, New Jersey claimed as hers again, partly.
See: in the 1800s the island was yay big, but by the 1990s, it was *yay* big.
And because the rivalries of youth never really end, New Jersey again brought in the Supreme Court.
This time New York showed up promptly.
The added land, New Jersey said, was hers.
New York disagreed saying the embiggened island was still her island.
Now, how did Ellis island get bigger?
Well New York claimed while digging up the subways she dumped the dirt, uh, here.
In New Jersey’s half of the river.
But her dirt=her new land, which is an interesting territorial acquisition strategy.
But neither New York nor New Jersey could find any paperwork for the court to prove where the land came from.
So how Ellis Island grew three sizes is just lost to history.
But whatever. The court ruled everything above the water was New York …
… and everything below the water was New Jersey.
But if below became above, New New Jersey it would be.
And thus this island belongs to New Jersey with just this little original part being New York.
Which is a sublime and ridiculous border that opens the door to one squabble remaining.
Liberty Island was originally yay but now it’s *yay*.
Which, means, this part should be New Jersey, not New York.
Though it hasn’t been fought over yet, (possibly because neither state has noticed)…
… and while it would still leave Lady Liberty on the New York side.…
… you know what would be on the New Jersey side? The Gift Shop.
And the only thing more important than who owns the monument…
… is who owns the gift shop for the monument. We will see.
But as it is, within the waters of New Jersey, there’s an island of New York …
… that’s federal land…atop which the national monument of the Statue of Liberty stands.
Oh, there’s also Shooter’s island. The State border runs… right through it.
I’m not sure anyone noticed.
Uhh… it’s a bird sanctuary run by New York, so whatever.

100 thoughts on “Who Owns The Statue of Liberty?”

  1. 4:59 : That's hidden message if you slow the video and find it for many times:

    France: "The F stands for 'Forever',you idiot."

    USA : "You pretentious b***h. I hate you. Forever"

  2. Henceforth, whenever I hear “Liberty Island” mentioned, I am now fully conditioned to expect both the sight & sound of exploding fireworks accompanying it/straight after.

  3. This is a very interesting precedent. So, if I purchase a private island on a river and build onto it, do I own the new land? Or is my new yard state owned land that will land me in legal trouble for trespassing through it?

  4. New York, or new jersey?
    Me: none, cause France actually built it. It is now in the US cause France gave it to the USA as a gift.

  5. I just skipped all right to minute 07:00 and hear the conclusion, that was all the info I needed to hear.

    Anyways thanks for the whole video, I hope to be the only monster that didn't see it completely.

  6. as a resident of new jersey i think in order to compromise new jersey should surrender its claims, but new yorkers are no longer permitted to enter the garden state or maybe a 1000 dollar toll because our infrastucture cant handle your terrible driving

  7. I don't really care who owns the Statue of Liberty, just as long as it doesn't get renamed the Statue of Equality.

  8. everybody associates the statue with new York and a lot of people specially on TV make new jersey sound and look very violent and poor, associating the statue with new jersey probably won't give it a boost in tourism but unless new jersey starts making alot of money thanks to new york reputation and the statue i think there won't be any problem, at the end of the day is all about money…

  9. One of those things I never thought about. I always was under the impression that all of Liberty Island was Federal land.

  10. I love when Americans try to differentiate between states while classifying the entire rest of the world as a single nation lol

  11. 9 months later, and I realise he didn't say "giving up islands to her piers back was worth it' he said 'giving up islands to get her piers back was WARF it' lol

  12. The Tartarian People Until After The 1812 Mudflood Decimating The Humanity..Murdering The Heirs Leftover No Doubt. The Map Was Def Changed After It! Rewrote The History To Fit The New Order of Civilization After The Massive World Wide Cataclysmic Event! It's Of A Previous Civilization of a Pre Existing Map! Star Forts…hmmm What The American LIES!

  13. Can we address this stupid “Mandela effect” people are experiencing because they’re too prideful to admit that they confuse Ellis island and liberty island.

  14. The Statue of Liberty is in New Jersey as much as Lesotho is IN South Africa.
    Technically yes, but not really.

  15. 4:59
    France : "The F stands for 'Forever', you idiot."
    America : "You pretentious bitch. I hate you. Forever."
    Go ahead and pause the video and see it for yourself, its there in that split second.

  16. For the anybody
    at 5:00 when France raises her finger they say
    France: the f stand for ‘forever’, you idiot
    America: you pretentious b* I hate you. forever

    It took my like 7 tries to pause it just right

  17. 5:00 🇫🇷: the “F” stands for “Forever”, idiot.
    🇺🇸: You pretentious bitch. I hate you. Forever.

  18. Ever notice how both this and the episode about federal land have the same views? Like everyone was just like “fuck you for continuing this BUT I’ll watch it”

  19. The United States of America owns it..
    It says, Welcome to the United States where stupid people can't find enough stupid things to fight about..

  20. ….Did you see if there was a sharpie name on the bottom of it? Maybe they wrote there name….
    Liberty Island is on and in NEW YORK, fuck out of here Jersey…

    Stature of Liberty belongs to the US and is a symbol of our Freedom.. Not a kids toy ffs.

  21. England when she finds America: oh my gosh, like we found this continent.

    America when she gets angry: like oh my gosh, you just taxed us, like oh my gosh we had to revolt, England

    Spain: yeahhh we were the one who found this continent, but you still got it girl.

  22. Our history is a lie the tartarian Empire owns the Statue of Liberty parasite stole it from them as well as America check out mud floods the truth will set you free

  23. The Statue of Liberty is in New York and always will be, I am a New Yorker so my argument may be biased but that’s just how it is

  24. "The statue of Liberty is in New York" is more of an opinion than a fact.
    Yes, most people think it's in New York, but I think it's in New Jersey.
    Some people say it's the Armpit of America. I think it's one of the most American places.

  25. 5:00 “the f stands for ‘forever’ you idiot”.
    “You pretentious bitch. I hate you. Forever”

  26. Bruh we European just go to New York and look at it. Nobody says " hey I'm going to NEW JERSEY to look at this statue"

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