Why elementary schools should teach poker | Liv Boeree

Why elementary schools should teach poker | Liv Boeree


Do I think we should teach poker in elementary
schools?
Yes, I think there are elements of the game
that you should teach in terms of like—because
what poker really does is teach you how to
deal with probabilities and uncertainties,
and that’s so integral to life.
Everything we try to do—“should we take
this route or that route”, “should I go
here on vacation or there”—it’s all about
dealing with uncertainties and probabilities
of things happening, and poker is a very fun
and easy way to teach someone how to do that.
It’s a shame people often put poker in the
same ballpark as just general gambling.
Just because some people choose to play it
for money, but you don’t have to play for
money—it’s just about winning.
You could win anything.
You could win pride.
You could win matchsticks or money.
And there is so many like core fundamentals
of the game that I wish I had known at age
ten, these ides, these sort of ways of thinking
about expected value and probabilistic thinking
in general would have sped up a lot of things
in my life had I been more aware of it.
And also learning how to evaluate evidence;
that’s something that is not taught in school
or very rarely taught in school, learning
how to change our minds, update our beliefs.
When we get new information being able to
weigh is that information reliable or not
and playing poker has taught me how to do
those much more accurately.
So, if there’s a way to teach children through
a game, and children love to learn through
games, poker could be one of those methods.
I think being mathematically minded is—there’s
probably some aptitude involved in it, but
I still think the vast majority of it is down
to the determination and practice.
You can take someone, I mean if you can just
understand the concept of numbers in the first
place, which I think the vast majority of
humans can, then you can train someone to
be more mathematically capable.
It’s like learning a language; it’s almost
like you have that initial passion and desire
to get better, then it’s those little incremental
jumps.
And it makes me so sad when I meet people
who are like “I’m no good at math, no
good at math” and if you actually keep asking
them why and go back in their history it almost
always comes down to some bad experience they
had when they were probably seven years old
and the teacher asked them “what’s five
times five?” and they screwed up and their
friends laughed at them, and then these barriers
get built and they’re like “oh it’s not
my thing”.
And I think it’s just a huge tragedy because
most humans can learn to be at least competent
at basic mathematics, especially the mathematics
involved in poker.
It’s really not that complicated.
There’s a lot of approximations you can do
and I found that I used to actually not be
very good at mental arithmetic.
I was fine if I had a pen and paper and algebra,
that was, I liked that, but in the moment
of, mental arithmetic I could never do.
But I started playing poker and started practicing
these things and now it’s a skill I’m proud
of.
So it’s just a willingness to keep plugging
away at it.

78 thoughts on “Why elementary schools should teach poker | Liv Boeree”

  1. Poker is a game of deception and being emotionless.
    Whereas chess teaches a child to THINK, not just about one move but of the Future CONSEQUENCES of it.
    Teaching kids to gamble. What do you think the outcome will be.
    I can bet by high school MOST of them will become addicted to gambling. Stealing and doing God knows what else to get another win.

  2. If you want smart educated children ready for the real world, read them books when they are young. Get them interested in reading and they will naturally become curious as adults and will never stop learning. If you don't want smart educated children ready for the real world, teach them to play poker!…
    This is obvious nonsense.

  3. I can just see so many people coming here and saying 'it'll teach kids to gamble'. You can gamble on ANY card game: poker, blackjack, old maid, go fish, bridge, etc. Poker is just a card game favored by gamblers because it contains bluffing and deception, it's not inherently a bad game.

  4. I respectfully disagree with just some aspects of your statement.

    Possibly teaching the concepts of Poker would be ideal however, its a game with winning a prize thus it doesnt matter if its money, chips, paper etc, this will inadvertently increase the likeliness of gain to addiction of gambling at a young age regardless, which is not ideal.

    A strategic game that wins by honor not by prize is ideal, prizes can be a devious message in such instances. So i suggest most schools should adopt the Russian approach of teaching grade school children Chess. Far more effective with a similar message, Great video non the less.

  5. Yeeeah,,, I've had several m8's get hooked on gambling and they wasted a fortune in the process, not a good idea.
    A world of Ferengi's, nope, don't like it…

  6. One valuable thing poker can also teach is accepting loss. Not letting something as banal as accidentally dropping your phone and breaking it, or someone bumping into your new car bring you down at all. And it can also help you deal with more serious things like death of a loved one or hearing a diagnosis for cancer. There's still sorrow involved, but accepting it and moving on can get much easier.

  7. People in the comment section are just commenting about negative aspects of Poker for a child. But in my opinion they failed to grasp the knowledge of what this video is about.In my opinion, It is about developing quick decision making on 'basic' real life situations.

  8. Learning how to play Poker makes you good at Poker, full stop. It doesn't make you good at anything else, the skill you gain is non transferable and there is certainly no evidence for that. Neither does playing chess or other card games for that matter. Yet again another video from Big THink that tries to squeeze something out of nothing.

  9. For the millionth time, Big Think, stop putting the end links over the people's faces! She's wrapping up her point, and all I can think about is "hey, here's more videos to watch that aren't this one!"

  10. poker is for minors.. coal miners from 1930. it is far from the best game to teach leveraging probability, but it is a game that encourages you to physically profile someone under pressure. But most physical and social activity teaches you to do that.

  11. I see a lot of people commenting that obviously have no clue how to play poker. There’s a lot of statistics and probability used. You don’t just look at a person to see if their eyes twitched. Thats useless when you play online.

  12. Being able to think is key. And it would be fun, so kids would likely listen. It's better than making schools so prison-like boring that kids prefer to bully or shoot up their fellow students.

  13. I loved this. As an educator 👨‍🏫, I find this method of thinking 💭 essential to becoming a competent person.

  14. Full disclosure… I haven't watched the video, but teach classes on logic and reasoning then apply that to real life problems in the world that kids are interested in. Im guessing that will have more value than just teaching them this or that game on their own… Whether chess or poker.

  15. To those saying what about chess, while poker and chess are both strategy games, they require different skill sets to play. Chess is a reactionary game based on complete information. Poker is a more mathematical game based on incomplete information. To her credit, I think the broader point would be to teach children game theory. Kids love games, so why not use them to teach math, logic, and critical thinking?

  16. Poker is much aswith of gambling's uncertainities than Bridge's probablities' communicative constructive features. Yes, not only Bridge or Poker provides looking thru a multiperspectival course of scoping and concentrations.. all card games do provide these including solitaire, free cell and the similar board games via use of cards from elemantary levels to other complicated levels.
    ..
    Teaching poker at elemetary school is an abstraction that might obsruct the main manners of education itself. In fair logic winning is negative as losing.. losing may be awarded excuses but not rewarded punishment.. however winning may (ambiguity calls gambling and opportunism) be rewarded with caution and at times awarded punnisment(s). The aspect of poker is trying and in most of the cases helplessly awaiting something from "out of the unknown" asby basis. However bridge is not so. This matter of unknown may lead individuals become more sneakers than participants, more creating penalties (as in football) than being goal keeping/defencive. However games that has no winning on a table.. their being rare showing the fact that even with no contest competetiveness is loved mindlessly by humans… are better.
    .
    Poker.. from out of a very big unknown.. trying to have made out a big deal without correlatively dearly much a work.. even it be a simple "Here you win! Congrats!".. at childhood that is dangerous, concept of state and laws of state concept related to equality and communal being.. these indicate too much of abstraction that obstructs.. the individual's mentality and behavioristics, fairness in society, and unsidedness of state that needs to be social and explicitly communicative and taking responsiblities and their required charges along with what in optimum has to be provided as-with society being.
    ..

  17. To all people saying they should teach chess…

    Liv is actually insanely strong chess player. (I also play a lot of poker and chess) Chess is also awesome to develop the brain, but you cant say that poker doesnt have any advantages over chess. Chess develops creativity and strategy, but poker is better for having "sharp" mind because poker is much more situational since you have to focus on your opponent, figure them out and trick them while also making sure no one can figure you out.

    Both of those games are way more useful than many subjects thought in school. But hey, let the others become sheep while you teach your kids to think like a chess and poker player. Liv is one of the best examples, she's as sharp as she is beautiful.

  18. Most important takeaway from the card table: Even if you follow a perfect strategy, one turn of the cards after another can still go against you. That's why it's called "gambling."

  19. They should try rummy family of games e.g. canasta , gin rummy etc. instead as it doesn't have the association with gambling and still teaches the same skills.

  20. School should teach play chess not poker. I played many online tournaments. I was on final table couple of times in 6handed texas holdem and only once or twice i achhieved podium, few time final table. Every other time i lost against shit river. Many hours in the highest state of focus and then fkn lucky boy with no logic. I have destroyed few keyboards.

  21. There are loads of good strategy games to choose from these days, and most of them don't promote gambling. This woman is behind the times.

  22. i was in a table of nine playing poker online, and one of the players always starts with all in…and he/she wins. My hand was AA, his hand was 3 and 4 and the end turns with a full house for him/her…and that has happened with all the players of the table… that specific game turn me out of poker games for a year thinking all is about chance, the only probability that counts is the 100% but that can only be sure in the last card show, then nothing to do about it.

  23. this video is a fucking waste of time, you dont even go over a game with your thought process, sum of this video is in the title, dont watch unless you want to see somebody ramble on

  24. For those who say it's gambling here is a reference from Wikipedia ""Gambling is the wagering of money or something of value (referred to as "the stakes") on an event with an uncertain outcome with the primary intent of winning money or material goods." Playing poker without betting with real material goods isn't exactly gambling. So please find better arguments.

  25. Poker is gambling but not in the way players who don’t play think it is. Especially those who simply say that Poker is gambling alone. Poker is about the psychology people have when reacting to luck or a lack there of. Gambling is about wagering and guessing, poker has these as elements but the ultimate goal is to avoid luck being the true determinant of success.

  26. Me and my friends used to play poker in school (hiding from our teachers) when we were 14 or so. I really believe it helped us.

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